WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.000 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.342 We get there by minimizing the players in the marketplace. 00:13:12.849 --> 00:13:14.849 Thank you. Thank you. The next 00:13:15.384 --> 00:13:17.384 name on the list is Anthony. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.600 Azul. Oh, Mhm. Okay The next 00:13:37.605 --> 00:13:39.605 name on the list is Antoinette. 00:13:44.450 --> 00:13:46.879 Show us. Hi. Yes Can you hear me? Yes I can hear you. Okay. 00:13:47.750 --> 00:13:49.750 Thank you very much for letting 00:13:50.151 --> 00:13:52.453 me talk. Just very quickly. I am a property manager by 00:13:52.453 --> 00:13:54.453 profession, and, um, I don't 00:13:56.557 --> 00:13:59.425 think That? Well I do feel that the current changes that you're 00:14:00.227 --> 00:14:02.662 proposing really put a lot of pressure in terms of us finding 00:14:02.662 --> 00:14:04.662 suitable tenants and good 00:14:06.533 --> 00:14:08.533 tenants. I don't understand the 00:14:09.269 --> 00:14:11.339 purpose of doing that. It is there any way you can explain 00:14:12.338 --> 00:14:14.338 to us. Why are you putting that 00:14:14.407 --> 00:14:16.407 kind of restriction on us? Um 00:14:17.376 --> 00:14:19.376 why is having a credit not not? 00:14:20.446 --> 00:14:22.790 Central Why? Why would that be banned? And why do we have to 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:26.116 just do month to month? No I don't understand that the 00:14:27.118 --> 00:14:28.686 purpose the significant of that, And how is that going to 00:14:29.421 --> 00:14:31.889 benefit the rental market and not to mention the this more 00:14:32.491 --> 00:14:34.492 Like what? I just heard from the smaller investor who just 00:14:34.726 --> 00:14:36.726 wants to have some kind of a 00:14:37.128 --> 00:14:39.964 cash flow for their retirement. What you're doing is you you 00:14:40.265 --> 00:14:42.265 are opening up the risk, and 00:14:42.467 --> 00:14:45.369 instead of having a good Investment having to bring in 00:14:46.404 --> 00:14:48.437 the cash flow you are, you know, by opening up all the 00:14:49.173 --> 00:14:51.908 risk you are asking all the owners to carry that risk and 00:14:52.176 --> 00:14:54.210 that how is back on the benefit everybody, So I bet that's just 00:14:54.912 --> 00:14:56.513 what I have to say. That's all. I don't understand the purpose 00:15:01.885 --> 00:15:04.720 of this. Thank you. Thank you. The next name on the list is 00:15:14.764 --> 00:15:16.331 Our men. You, Sophie in. Hi. I don't believe I signed up to 00:15:20.303 --> 00:15:22.303 speak. Okay but I guess I'll go 00:15:22.705 --> 00:15:25.140 ahead and say something. I owe the remarks of the previous 00:15:27.243 --> 00:15:30.760 speakers. This makes no sense it shifts and incredible and 00:15:32.481 --> 00:15:34.481 extraordinary amounts of risk. 00:15:34.817 --> 00:15:36.817 To these small property owners, 00:15:37.452 --> 00:15:39.452 the small landlords and we'll 00:15:39.655 --> 00:15:41.255 just drive them or others that might seek to get into rental 00:15:43.692 --> 00:15:45.692 housing. Away from doing so, 00:15:46.328 --> 00:15:48.962 and will just exacerbate. Uh, the issue. I mean, if you want 00:15:50.165 --> 00:15:51.798 to have more affordable housing, the way to get there is to have 00:15:54.368 --> 00:15:56.368 more supply. Get encourage more 00:15:56.938 --> 00:15:58.938 people to build housing or buy 00:15:58.939 --> 00:16:01.641 houses for rental purposes, And this just goes in the opposite 00:16:01.909 --> 00:16:03.475 direction. It just makes no sense. That's the end of my 00:16:11.385 --> 00:16:13.519 comment. Thank you. The next name on the list is Becky 00:16:17.824 --> 00:16:19.958 Dudley. I didn't know I was going to speak either, but I 00:16:20.727 --> 00:16:23.594 will speak. I appreciate this opportunity. Um, I am one of 00:16:24.797 --> 00:16:26.799 those small up property owners. I have a house that houses a 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.799 multi generation family of six 00:16:30.703 --> 00:16:32.703 people. I am barely retired. I 00:16:32.905 --> 00:16:35.600 have worked and saved and I put a lot of money into this house 00:16:37.376 --> 00:16:40.211 as an investment. And if this goes through, especially with 00:16:41.447 --> 00:16:44.810 the credit report, um not being able to use that for the next 00:16:45.584 --> 00:16:48.319 tenants. I'm not going to take that risk. So my house will be 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.955 on the market. Um and kind of Give you an example of many 00:16:53.157 --> 00:16:55.157 other people in my situation 00:16:55.659 --> 00:16:58.362 out there, too. If I do decide to keep it, and I'm not allowed 00:16:58.362 --> 00:17:00.362 to run a credit report, and all 00:17:01.198 --> 00:17:03.599 of these just causes problems. Um that's going to be really 00:17:05.350 --> 00:17:07.350 onerous on the tenant on the 00:17:07.303 --> 00:17:09.605 applicator application because I'm going to require bank 00:17:09.639 --> 00:17:11.473 statements I'm going to report required tax returns. I'm going 00:17:13.443 --> 00:17:16.178 to reach choir. They are going to have to do a lot of proved 00:17:18.346 --> 00:17:20.346 that they can afford the house. 00:17:21.484 --> 00:17:24.185 So running a credit report. It tells me in one step, you know 00:17:24.453 --> 00:17:27.256 if they're going to be able to afford the house, and if 00:17:27.689 --> 00:17:29.689 they've had problems paying 00:17:29.892 --> 00:17:32.693 their bills in the past, so I don't understand it either. You 00:17:32.861 --> 00:17:34.427 know any information you can give on that. I'd appreciate 00:17:41.336 --> 00:17:43.336 it. Thank you. Thank you. The 00:18:01.288 --> 00:18:03.356 next name on the list is Poppy. And the next name on the list 00:18:12.832 --> 00:18:14.832 is Brandon. Wilbur. Excuse me. 00:18:15.735 --> 00:18:17.735 Sorry. Uh, Can you hear me? 00:18:19.138 --> 00:18:21.390 Yeah, we can hear you. Thank you. I did not say up to speak 00:18:21.841 --> 00:18:23.841 either, but I thought it MAY be 00:18:24.342 --> 00:18:26.342 a good opportunity, and hearing 00:18:27.813 --> 00:18:30.347 what everyone else is sane. I think this this has been a fundamental misunderstanding of 00:18:33.418 --> 00:18:35.418 how. Our market works on the 00:18:37.723 --> 00:18:39.723 latest play aside. And From my 00:18:42.250 --> 00:18:44.250 own experience. In dealing with 00:18:46.297 --> 00:18:48.399 These just causes is. My managers can't protect their 00:18:48.399 --> 00:18:50.399 communities because we still 00:18:52.136 --> 00:18:54.136 have people. Death are being 00:18:55.673 --> 00:18:57.673 egregious, and they're just. I 00:18:58.209 --> 00:19:00.276 mean, it's just the behavior is ridiculous, and it's been 00:19:04.214 --> 00:19:06.549 getting worse. And now. We want to allow them to do more and 00:19:08.984 --> 00:19:10.984 not have any checks against. 00:19:12.489 --> 00:19:14.489 Yeah well, my I guess. The 00:19:14.623 --> 00:19:16.158 thing is, it's just I don't as with everybody else don't 00:19:22.699 --> 00:19:24.699 understand. Why Um. Why we just 00:19:28.638 --> 00:19:30.638 keep on pushing. For this, Um 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:33.575 And as with everyone else it just if we could have basically 00:19:35.110 --> 00:19:36.678 a better understanding. Of everything that's being put 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:40.480 forward. And actually having 00:19:41.782 --> 00:19:43.782 our side heard. I think it 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.720 would be a More of just a 00:19:48.456 --> 00:19:51.257 better situation all around. But that is my only take. Thank 00:19:52.260 --> 00:19:54.260 you guys for your time. Thank 00:19:56.597 --> 00:19:58.597 you. The next name on the list 00:20:12.713 --> 00:20:14.713 is Brody. No. Yeah. Okay and 00:20:27.580 --> 00:20:29.580 the next list is Casey. The 00:20:37.603 --> 00:20:39.603 next name on the This is 10. 00:20:43.242 --> 00:20:45.242 Hello. Hi. Um so I just want to 00:20:45.711 --> 00:20:47.878 say that, um, I think I understand the importance of, 00:20:51.116 --> 00:20:53.116 um Providing stable housing, 00:20:53.318 --> 00:20:56.218 and I think you know from my perspective. I grew up in 00:20:56.688 --> 00:20:58.688 Australia and we have somewhat 00:20:59.324 --> 00:21:00.924 more awe. Um arduous Landlord responsibilities to a certain 00:21:04.595 --> 00:21:07.264 extent. But um and you know, I was a tenant there and we don't 00:21:07.765 --> 00:21:09.765 have credit reports and things 00:21:09.867 --> 00:21:11.867 like that. But um, and I really 00:21:12.335 --> 00:21:15.171 appreciate health. You know, uh, reliable tendency as a tenant 00:21:17.508 --> 00:21:20.409 really helps, um Really helps like people who can't afford to 00:21:20.776 --> 00:21:23.346 own a house and things like that to have stable, 00:21:24.213 --> 00:21:26.849 predictable accommodation, But I feel like we don't have the right tools here to replace 00:21:31.621 --> 00:21:33.654 that. Um So for example, um, we don't have a tribunal like we 00:21:34.123 --> 00:21:36.123 do in Australia to do a low 00:21:37.527 --> 00:21:39.194 cost. Um, uh, dispute resolution. The credit check is 00:21:42.296 --> 00:21:44.296 like. One of the one of the 00:21:44.667 --> 00:21:46.667 only tools we have to sort of 00:21:47.836 --> 00:21:49.836 see if this tenant is, um is, 00:21:50.172 --> 00:21:51.806 uh, going to afford this place like I just rented my condo out 00:21:53.909 --> 00:21:56.710 and Um, you know, without a credit check, I wouldn't know 00:21:57.712 --> 00:21:59.712 if they're going to be able to 00:22:00.582 --> 00:22:02.950 afford rent and if they can't I have to, like, go through this 00:22:04.651 --> 00:22:06.987 whole law like lawsuit court process to evict them, and 00:22:08.254 --> 00:22:10.254 that's just super expensive. 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.660 And um, I just Yeah, I like if. 00:22:14.894 --> 00:22:16.964 We don't have the support like we don't get compensation from 00:22:16.964 --> 00:22:18.964 the county if we have about 00:22:21.568 --> 00:22:23.568 tenant Um, like all of this 00:22:24.671 --> 00:22:26.671 financial risk is on us and, um, 00:22:26.707 --> 00:22:29.408 I just Yeah, I don't think we have the right tools to deal 00:22:31.278 --> 00:22:34.246 with it. Um, right now and You're removing sort of the 00:22:34.848 --> 00:22:36.848 only few tools whilst they're 00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:40.851 not perfect. Um At least they're still tools we can use. I'm not saying credit checks 00:22:41.453 --> 00:22:43.453 are perfect. I think credit 00:22:43.589 --> 00:22:45.824 scores, you know, um, the best, but, um, it's something thank 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:49.527 you. I'm sorry, Mr Cheng, could you state your full name for 00:22:52.297 --> 00:22:54.297 the record? Yeah. You still 00:22:55.332 --> 00:22:57.332 with us? Unmute him again, 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:04.700 please. Oh, yeah? Yes Loss Boo 00:23:04.342 --> 00:23:06.342 w Thank you so much. 00:23:08.110 --> 00:23:10.813 MADAM Chair. Catherine Kohl-Welles. Thank you, MADAM 00:23:11.820 --> 00:23:12.749 Chair. I just want to mention to those of you who are giving 00:23:14.152 --> 00:23:16.386 public comment? Uh I hope you stay around to hear our 00:23:16.988 --> 00:23:19.456 discussion and the staff briefing because much of what you've been told is not 00:23:23.494 --> 00:23:25.494 correct. Thank you. Thank you, 00:23:25.696 --> 00:23:27.696 Okay, MADAM Clerk. Please 00:23:28.866 --> 00:23:30.633 continue. Thank you. I'm sure. The next name on the list. 00:23:37.307 --> 00:23:39.307 Cheryl and. Okay. Hello. My 00:23:40.243 --> 00:23:42.610 name is Dan Winston. W I n s t o n. I've been a landlord for 00:23:42.645 --> 00:23:44.645 more than 30 years and the King 00:23:46.247 --> 00:23:48.247 County area. In the past few 00:23:48.449 --> 00:23:50.449 years, I have made the decision 00:23:50.453 --> 00:23:52.530 now to sell all of my properties within the city of 00:23:54.590 --> 00:23:56.590 Seattle. Because of the onerous 00:23:57.159 --> 00:23:59.159 laws that they have passed. 00:24:00.262 --> 00:24:02.262 Restricting landlords from free 00:24:02.898 --> 00:24:04.898 choices in in regards to whom 00:24:06.701 --> 00:24:08.701 they MAY rent, too. And uh, 00:24:10.203 --> 00:24:12.605 that would has been my decision and I would further that 00:24:14.676 --> 00:24:16.676 decision in King County. If 00:24:17.679 --> 00:24:19.679 these laws are passed, removing 00:24:22.717 --> 00:24:24.717 the credit check. Is huge. Uh 00:24:27.354 --> 00:24:29.354 restricting the late fee to 1. 00:24:30.424 --> 00:24:32.424 Also huge. That is so much less 00:24:33.260 --> 00:24:36.620 than the 10% You pay if you're late on your water bill, or the 00:24:37.300 --> 00:24:39.300 5% that I have to pay If I'm 00:24:39.800 --> 00:24:41.800 late on my mortgage payment. 00:24:42.902 --> 00:24:44.902 It's ridiculous to restrict the 00:24:45.538 --> 00:24:47.538 trade of landlords in the 00:24:48.341 --> 00:24:49.908 benefits and the benefits that they provide for public 00:24:52.945 --> 00:24:54.945 housing. And I'm afraid that 00:24:55.381 --> 00:24:57.381 what this is going to do is 00:24:58.217 --> 00:25:00.217 exacerbate the lack of 00:25:00.786 --> 00:25:03.454 available housing and the lack of homes for people who are 00:25:06.792 --> 00:25:09.760 currently homeless. Uh, the Council should consider doing 00:25:12.563 --> 00:25:14.563 things to encourage. Uh housing 00:25:14.833 --> 00:25:16.833 providers to enter the market 00:25:17.435 --> 00:25:20.304 not to get out of the market. There are many other states and 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.839 areas and I've moved some of my 00:25:24.809 --> 00:25:26.476 resources and investments into those areas that are much more 00:25:29.614 --> 00:25:31.614 friendly. To housing providers, 00:25:32.183 --> 00:25:34.984 and I'm afraid that with the passage of these kinds of 00:25:35.685 --> 00:25:37.685 restrictions that that's going 00:25:39.289 --> 00:25:41.289 to be my only option And I will 00:25:41.858 --> 00:25:44.759 have to end up doing that and eliminating it's, huh uh, that 00:25:45.462 --> 00:25:47.462 I've been providing in the 00:25:48.964 --> 00:25:50.964 years past. Thank you. Yeah 00:25:53.401 --> 00:25:55.401 thank you. The next name on the 00:26:08.817 --> 00:26:10.817 list is Chelsea Mandel. The 00:26:22.397 --> 00:26:24.397 next name on the list is Chris. 00:26:27.735 --> 00:26:29.735 Yeah. The next name is Chris 00:26:34.141 --> 00:26:36.109 Lovings. Good afternoon council members. My name is Chris. 00:26:37.511 --> 00:26:39.511 Loving c h r. I s, uh, last 00:26:40.547 --> 00:26:43.481 thing l o v I n g s. I work as a community engagement energy for East Side Legal Assistance 00:26:44.184 --> 00:26:46.117 program. We're a nonprofit that serves communities throughout 00:26:46.954 --> 00:26:48.954 King County. We are testifying 00:26:50.891 --> 00:26:53.758 in support of ordinance 2021-0. Proposed by council member Kohl-Welles Style a and 00:26:55.495 --> 00:26:58.263 Upthegrove. As part of the State House, stay healthy coalition. We had eloped 00:26:58.865 --> 00:27:01.266 concerned about renters who will be evicted as a result of 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:03.902 this pandemic. Some of the tenants that we work with are 00:27:04.235 --> 00:27:06.372 unemployed, undocumented and they are self addicting because 00:27:06.372 --> 00:27:08.372 of high back rent and 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.430 traditionally These community members haven't been heard. We 00:27:12.444 --> 00:27:15.180 know that addiction is a cause of homelessness in our communities. People who get 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:17.182 evicted. Don't just find housing. They go through a 00:27:17.182 --> 00:27:19.750 period of experiencing homelessness by either couch 00:27:20.117 --> 00:27:22.620 surfing the living in their cars or being forced to live on 00:27:23.355 --> 00:27:26.560 the streets. We also see how housing instability is both 00:27:27.325 --> 00:27:29.928 caused by and a precursor to domestic violence. We've seen 00:27:29.928 --> 00:27:31.528 how domestic violence survivors have moved out to escape their 00:27:33.264 --> 00:27:35.998 abuser. With the current economic environment during 00:27:36.134 --> 00:27:38.335 this pandemic. We're concerned that those survivors can't keep 00:27:38.369 --> 00:27:40.971 up with the rent and their new safe space and MAY be forced to 00:27:41.572 --> 00:27:43.572 move back in with their user 00:27:43.673 --> 00:27:46.142 can be very difficult to make the decision to actually leave 00:27:46.977 --> 00:27:49.779 your abuser in the first place, and this makes it even more important to address housing 00:27:49.947 --> 00:27:52.181 instability. This ordinance provides stability and due 00:27:52.816 --> 00:27:55.351 process as a civil legal aid organisation that has housing attorneys who serve 00:27:56.787 --> 00:27:59.688 constituents Corruption county We know that strong policy that 00:28:00.690 --> 00:28:02.191 protects renters cuts down on communities experiencing 00:28:03.426 --> 00:28:05.793 homelessness. We also know that ordinances can be stronger than 00:28:06.950 --> 00:28:07.696 current state law in circumstances like what was 00:28:08.965 --> 00:28:11.199 passed and Kenmore yesterday. This ordinance includes 00:28:11.667 --> 00:28:14.469 critical measures to protect tenants who are already and financially precarious 00:28:15.636 --> 00:28:18.390 situations by capping movin security deposit and other 00:28:18.307 --> 00:28:20.473 costs and fees and allowing those tennis to provide 00:28:20.509 --> 00:28:22.977 incremental payments. The ordinance also ensures that 00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:26.312 landlords do not increased rent for properties that are unsafe 00:28:27.149 --> 00:28:29.684 and uninhabitable for tenants. I encourage you to give tenants 00:28:29.684 --> 00:28:31.285 and advocates like those that allowed the tools you need to 00:28:33.188 --> 00:28:35.923 keep their families safe. And not weaken this ordinance and 00:28:36.424 --> 00:28:38.424 provide more power for tenants 00:28:41.795 --> 00:28:43.795 throughout this. Time. Thank 00:28:46.534 --> 00:28:48.534 you. The next name on the list 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:55.775 is Daniel Harrison. Thank you. Council members. My name is Dr 00:28:56.243 --> 00:28:58.211 Daniell low. I'm a family medicine physician at a 00:28:58.879 --> 00:29:00.980 community Health center, and I urge you to pass the Tenant 00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:04.150 Protection Ordinance 0131 and 00:29:04.217 --> 00:29:06.551 keep it strong when folks are evicted their health suffers. 00:29:06.551 --> 00:29:08.551 We've borne witness to that 00:29:09.822 --> 00:29:12.157 this week. The devastating fire that killed two individuals 00:29:12.859 --> 00:29:15.593 experiencing homelessness in Seattle on Monday, but it is 00:29:15.593 --> 00:29:17.162 not just freak fighters that wreak havoc on those who are 00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:21.733 evicted. I recently had a nine year old girl in clinic who is 00:29:22.401 --> 00:29:24.401 failing out of the third grade 00:29:24.737 --> 00:29:27.710 after she and her mom lost their housing during the pandemic, trying to manage 00:29:27.710 --> 00:29:29.710 these stresses as a third 00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:32.420 grader. Something we should 00:29:32.309 --> 00:29:34.779 never be asking of our Children. I see patients every day who 00:29:35.580 --> 00:29:37.580 are rent voted. They deserve 00:29:38.284 --> 00:29:40.984 transparency and stability when they are evicted, they are forced to play Russian roulette 00:29:42.687 --> 00:29:45.122 with their health. Needing to spend whatever money they have 00:29:46.657 --> 00:29:48.590 for safety, They delay care. They stopped meeting they 00:29:49.293 --> 00:29:51.728 stopped medications to save a buck. Like my patient, John, 00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:55.899 who suffers from depression. Stop going to therapy in order 00:29:56.834 --> 00:29:58.834 to pay rent and consequently 00:29:59.736 --> 00:30:01.604 was in a mental health crisis. Entertaining notions of 00:30:02.471 --> 00:30:04.400 suicide. I talked some down in that moment. But what about 00:30:05.976 --> 00:30:08.777 next time? This is even more important now, with the 00:30:08.778 --> 00:30:10.778 possibility of lifting the 00:30:11.470 --> 00:30:13.449 eviction moratorium data shows that states that lifted 00:30:13.683 --> 00:30:15.284 addiction moratoriums so significantly increased rates 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:18.786 in the spread of covid. An increased number of covid 00:30:19.788 --> 00:30:21.289 deaths. We need to do whatever we can to protect stable 00:30:23.459 --> 00:30:26.226 housing. It's my responsibility as a family medicine physician 00:30:27.129 --> 00:30:29.129 to not only treat illness but 00:30:29.598 --> 00:30:31.966 to promote wellness. I cannot effectively promote wellness and patients who cannot find 00:30:32.935 --> 00:30:34.935 safe housing. Who are evicted 00:30:36.238 --> 00:30:38.974 without cause. Please pass these tenant protections and 00:30:38.974 --> 00:30:40.974 keep them strong. Thank you. 00:30:43.478 --> 00:30:45.478 Thank you. The next name on the 00:30:54.255 --> 00:30:56.255 list is Darlene Sondergaard. 00:31:04.398 --> 00:31:06.833 Snoqualmie. You hear? Me? I have owned seven town homes 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.000 that we've run in as clever 00:31:09.936 --> 00:31:12.605 last 20. Plus years. Uh several, um, I have, like three 00:31:13.273 --> 00:31:15.273 or four would have been there 00:31:15.475 --> 00:31:17.420 and last year's This ordinance is designed to put an undue 00:31:20.545 --> 00:31:23.448 burden. I'm your mom and pop property owners. Uh like the 00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:25.884 recent survey in Seattle, multiple sales units have shown 00:31:28.754 --> 00:31:31.220 that. Due to these new covid restrictions. Property owners 00:31:34.260 --> 00:31:36.260 are selling and getting. And 00:31:36.562 --> 00:31:39.163 thus and the end decreasing the pool of Reynolds available, 00:31:39.932 --> 00:31:42.665 which is contrary to what in county housing authority is 00:31:43.602 --> 00:31:46.103 trying to protect. Um there's so many reasons why this ordinance really written that 00:31:46.103 --> 00:31:48.103 the whole mandatory lease 00:31:50.241 --> 00:31:52.741 renewal. Is unconstitutional. Amendment through the 00:31:53.811 --> 00:31:56.414 Constitution, No soldier and type of peace shall be 00:31:56.414 --> 00:31:58.414 quartered in any house without 00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:01.650 the consent of the owner. You 00:32:02.653 --> 00:32:05.188 can't scores landlords, You mean all about Kenneth that are 00:32:08.792 --> 00:32:10.793 simply Ngo. And don't get along with the community or they're 00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:15.230 just not good for I need to 00:32:15.532 --> 00:32:17.532 protect the community of the 00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:20.700 people that are in my unit. And 00:32:22.739 --> 00:32:24.739 then the late fee of 1. That's 00:32:25.375 --> 00:32:28.110 just crazy. It's ridiculous. Um I have to pay my mortgage my 00:32:28.211 --> 00:32:30.211 property tax my water my 00:32:31.130 --> 00:32:33.981 utilities on time. Why would it render him free rein and making 00:32:34.818 --> 00:32:37.386 payments if and when they choose? Uh you know, you can't 00:32:37.386 --> 00:32:39.386 negotiate a 1% of my property 00:32:41.924 --> 00:32:44.725 taxes. The penalties of 4.5 times to rent plus attorney 00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:49.300 fees is simply ridiculous because you're giving tenants ammunition to file frivolous 00:32:52.670 --> 00:32:54.670 lawsuits. Which they know that 00:32:54.269 --> 00:32:56.269 us small landlords can't afford 00:32:59.274 --> 00:33:00.874 attorneys. And really, in the end, I've had one Egyptian in 00:33:03.911 --> 00:33:05.512 25 years. So you know, I don't understand why there's this 00:33:11.986 --> 00:33:13.986 Right? And I've never Thank 00:33:21.762 --> 00:33:23.762 you. Next name is Dave Nicol. 00:33:25.297 --> 00:33:27.833 That's your main. Thank you, MADAM Chair. My name is Dave 00:33:28.268 --> 00:33:29.868 Nagel. N h e e. L Could you hear me? Okay. Yes, I can hear 00:33:33.273 --> 00:33:36.108 you. Thank you very much. First It is an honor and a privilege 00:33:36.975 --> 00:33:38.543 to be able to testify to you and the committee and I am 00:33:42.810 --> 00:33:44.810 opposed. As a landlord Ors are 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:47.850 small housing provider. I own eight units in West Seattle 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:50.619 that provides housing to 13 00:33:52.291 --> 00:33:54.291 adults, both young and old. And 00:33:54.593 --> 00:33:56.593 first. I want to state that I 00:33:57.494 --> 00:33:59.597 sent you each council member a letter. I sent it Monday. You should receive it. Maybe 00:34:02.867 --> 00:34:05.102 Wednesday. And also I scanned it and gave it to the clerk's 00:34:05.970 --> 00:34:07.970 office. And first I'd like to 00:34:08.372 --> 00:34:11.274 say that state housing our state bill sb 51 60. House 00:34:16.779 --> 00:34:19.820 bill. 13 68 and house built 12 36 all provide excellent tenant 00:34:19.683 --> 00:34:21.683 productive protections. And so 00:34:27.290 --> 00:34:29.290 this. Build from King County is 00:34:30.260 --> 00:34:32.260 beyond reasonable and I just 00:34:33.263 --> 00:34:34.895 want to Steve. Most important. I'm not speaking very well. I'm 00:34:37.330 --> 00:34:39.330 not a very good public speaker. 00:34:42.337 --> 00:34:44.337 That I oppose. Uh 0131. Thank 00:34:46.942 --> 00:34:48.443 you very much. Thank you. The next name on the list is 00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:57.685 Denise. Mhm. I am. My name is Denise Snyder. It's s n y. D. 00:35:00.489 --> 00:35:02.489 R. And I am opposed to 00:35:03.925 --> 00:35:05.526 ordinance 2021 0131. Many of the provisions in the proposed 00:35:06.761 --> 00:35:08.761 ordinance or already In the 00:35:10.565 --> 00:35:12.567 state law attending. Adding additional and different 00:35:12.567 --> 00:35:14.567 requirements to housing 00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:18.505 providers is an owner's burden. The ordinance seeks to ban the 00:35:18.873 --> 00:35:21.508 use of credit history and screening, which is our primary 00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:24.900 tool in finding a qualified 00:35:27.748 --> 00:35:30.490 perspective, tenant To rent. To The ordinance does not address 00:35:30.784 --> 00:35:32.886 covid hardship. It's a permanent change to the housing 00:35:32.886 --> 00:35:34.886 provider and tenant 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.223 relationship, and it seems that it's being rushed through the process under the guise of 00:35:39.859 --> 00:35:41.995 covid. Small housing providers are not able to apply for 00:35:41.995 --> 00:35:43.995 rental assistance in 00:35:44.163 --> 00:35:46.331 King County. The solution to the pandemic potential crisis 00:35:46.331 --> 00:35:48.266 is to facilitate the distribution of rental assistance to housing 00:35:49.902 --> 00:35:51.902 providers. Thank you very much 00:35:57.176 --> 00:35:59.176 for your time. Thank you. The 00:36:05.490 --> 00:36:07.490 next name is Dejeuner. Thank 00:36:13.625 --> 00:36:15.625 you. Hello. Hello. 2021 03 00:36:17.495 --> 00:36:19.463 Sorry. 0131 as proposed. Punished his housing providers 00:36:21.832 --> 00:36:24.766 rather than encouraging them. And in the end is going to 00:36:25.903 --> 00:36:28.471 injure the vulnerable poppy rent her populations. It seeks 00:36:31.642 --> 00:36:33.843 to protect. Many landlords have already told you they can't 00:36:34.645 --> 00:36:36.645 bear this burden and will be 00:36:37.214 --> 00:36:39.749 selling and I'm in the unique position of being a landlord and King County and a tenant in 00:36:42.251 --> 00:36:44.320 a different county. Have the burden of paying my rent, 00:36:48.324 --> 00:36:50.192 whether I have income or not. And then I am so I'm punished 00:36:53.294 --> 00:36:55.294 on both sides. And Chris 00:36:55.296 --> 00:36:57.296 Livings and Daniel Harrison Low 00:36:59.266 --> 00:37:01.566 make some good points. But by the examples they gave, But 00:37:02.803 --> 00:37:04.803 those problems were not caused 00:37:05.439 --> 00:37:08.206 by those tenants, landlords and it's wrong for the county to 00:37:08.375 --> 00:37:10.542 force landlords to bear the burden of fixing a much larger 00:37:14.147 --> 00:37:16.447 societal problem. And so I'll have to say several of the 00:37:17.183 --> 00:37:19.183 problems listed by the doctor. 00:37:19.452 --> 00:37:21.587 I I'm going through myself, but there's no help for me. I have 00:37:21.587 --> 00:37:23.587 to fend for myself and pull 00:37:24.722 --> 00:37:26.624 myself up by my own bootstraps. And now the county is asking 00:37:31.762 --> 00:37:34.465 me. To where I'm at risk If you will of having to bear the 00:37:35.667 --> 00:37:37.969 burdens. Others have either created by their own life 00:37:37.969 --> 00:37:39.969 choices or through no fault of 00:37:42.974 --> 00:37:44.974 their own. But you can't pass 00:37:45.310 --> 00:37:47.643 this ordinance first because it won't solve the problem and 00:37:48.479 --> 00:37:50.450 second because it doesn't even try to solve it at its root 00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.150 cause. That's all I have. Thank 00:37:57.755 --> 00:37:59.389 you. Thank you. Could you please come state your name and 00:38:00.723 --> 00:38:02.723 spell it for the record. Juna 00:38:06.930 --> 00:38:08.930 bask on cello. T j u n a Last 00:38:11.334 --> 00:38:13.334 Name b as in Boy a s. C o n c e 00:38:21.277 --> 00:38:23.277 l o. Thank you so much. The 00:38:31.787 --> 00:38:33.787 next name is Alicia. Yes Um, 00:38:34.230 --> 00:38:36.230 Can you hear me? Yes, we can 00:38:37.358 --> 00:38:39.695 hear you. Uhh I don't have property in King County, but 00:38:43.732 --> 00:38:45.733 I'm just afraid. That if King County adopted this 00:38:49.871 --> 00:38:51.871 proposition Uh then, um, It 00:38:53.240 --> 00:38:55.240 will be. Followed by other 00:38:58.446 --> 00:39:01.214 counties. So you know, I opposed to this one. That's all 00:39:01.782 --> 00:39:03.782 I want to say. Thank you. Thank 00:39:24.604 --> 00:39:26.604 you. The next name is Greg. Yes 00:39:26.673 --> 00:39:28.839 I didn't really prepare a statement. But I do have a 00:39:30.309 --> 00:39:32.912 couple of comments. I did send my comments to COUNCILMAN And 00:39:32.912 --> 00:39:34.912 Dembowski for his consideration 00:39:35.548 --> 00:39:37.548 and discussion. With the 00:39:39.385 --> 00:39:41.385 council for the record. I'm my 00:39:42.554 --> 00:39:44.789 name Is Gregory Dunn to u. N. N. And I am opposed to 2021 Oh 00:39:50.328 --> 00:39:52.931 131. I just like to make two brief statements. One is that I 00:39:52.931 --> 00:39:54.931 think the brilliance is go 00:39:57.100 --> 00:39:59.100 away. Issues of covid and 00:40:00.236 --> 00:40:02.236 homelessness. And in addition. 00:40:02.773 --> 00:40:05.375 Has voiced by others, um, evictions and homeless church 00:40:06.143 --> 00:40:08.877 should be addressed as a society's problems through 00:40:09.313 --> 00:40:10.914 vouchers and various other means. This is my other means 00:40:14.585 --> 00:40:17.353 of support. And it should not be left up to a small segment 00:40:18.689 --> 00:40:20.756 of the small business owners, namely mom and pop housing 00:40:20.756 --> 00:40:22.756 providers to shelter this 00:40:22.993 --> 00:40:24.993 burden. That's all I have to 00:40:29.833 --> 00:40:31.833 say. Thank you. Thank you. The 00:40:47.249 --> 00:40:49.249 next name is Greg Kappas. 00:40:54.689 --> 00:40:56.689 The 00:41:00.295 --> 00:41:02.295 next name is iPad Guest. Hello. 00:41:07.301 --> 00:41:09.301 I'm there. Hello? Yeah Name is 00:41:10.538 --> 00:41:12.906 Bill Curry. Also c a, r. I o s o and I opposed 2021. I've had 00:41:15.242 --> 00:41:17.242 properties here and, um. 00:41:18.345 --> 00:41:21.147 Seattle for about 40 years. I've never had an eviction. Um 00:41:21.914 --> 00:41:24.684 with a lot of these, Uh, ordinance system becoming down 00:41:24.785 --> 00:41:26.785 the last couple years I've 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.688 solely exchanged my properties. Most. All of them. I've gotten out of the Seattle market and 00:41:31.458 --> 00:41:34.360 moved into surrounding markets. And now with this being in 00:41:34.561 --> 00:41:36.561 King County, I'm actually on my 00:41:37.730 --> 00:41:39.730 way to Nevada and Texas. Next, 00:41:41.232 --> 00:41:43.802 uh, anything them out of the change my properties out of the 00:41:44.637 --> 00:41:46.870 way these things pass, So I guess my point is, I'm not sure 00:41:47.672 --> 00:41:50.642 how this helps affordable housing myself and a lot of 00:41:51.210 --> 00:41:53.378 other people here are just gonna be exchanging their properties out of state, and, 00:41:55.749 --> 00:41:57.749 uh, Regarding Dr Lo talking 00:41:58.160 --> 00:41:59.617 about a health issue. Um yeah, I'm 61 years old. I spent the 00:42:02.587 --> 00:42:05.220 weekend. Talking windows and mowing lawns and keeping the 00:42:06.658 --> 00:42:08.992 properties up to stuff and, uh, I set up every night wondering 00:42:08.992 --> 00:42:11.695 if I rent is going to come in. So for landlords, it's a It's a 00:42:13.630 --> 00:42:16.399 health issue as well wondering. If someone is going to be able 00:42:16.667 --> 00:42:18.867 to meet their responsibilities that they've agreed to, or 00:42:19.300 --> 00:42:21.905 they're just going to blow us off and leave us twisting in the wind, so again in 2021 00:42:23.906 --> 00:42:26.409 makes no sense from a. Available housing standpoint. So of course I oppose you. 00:42:29.179 --> 00:42:31.981 Thank you. Thank you, sir. Would you mind saying and 00:42:32.348 --> 00:42:34.348 spelling your name again? 00:42:34.918 --> 00:42:36.918 Please First name is Bill. Last 00:42:37.253 --> 00:42:39.253 name is Carrie Also c a r I o s 00:42:40.523 --> 00:42:42.523 o Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:42:50.132 --> 00:42:52.132 Rock. The next name is but we 00:42:52.168 --> 00:42:53.835 have to iPhone. Guess so. I'll just ask the first one time 00:42:57.104 --> 00:42:59.104 meet them. Hello. My name is 00:43:05.213 --> 00:43:06.814 Pam Hemminger. Um I am opposed. And what I'd like to point out 00:43:13.386 --> 00:43:15.386 is that. We do this? Most of us 00:43:17.125 --> 00:43:19.659 do this because we love doing this, and we love providing 00:43:20.226 --> 00:43:22.226 housing and we like making nice 00:43:23.731 --> 00:43:25.731 places for people to live. We 00:43:25.933 --> 00:43:28.768 don't want to evict tenants. We have no reason to evict tenants 00:43:29.169 --> 00:43:31.169 unless they are causing a 00:43:32.806 --> 00:43:34.806 burden for their neighbors. Or 00:43:35.750 --> 00:43:36.609 they are not paying and putting us in a position where we 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:42.815 cannot pay. Both to the doctor and the person from the 00:43:43.550 --> 00:43:45.550 nonprofit What they don't 00:43:46.753 --> 00:43:48.753 understand is just simple Math. 00:43:50.156 --> 00:43:52.325 We have to pay. We have to pay. There's no way out for us to 00:43:52.325 --> 00:43:54.993 not have to pay if our tenants don't pay. We lose the 00:43:58.631 --> 00:44:00.631 buildings. Those buildings, 00:44:02.168 --> 00:44:04.970 Those homes go to either. People who are going to live in 00:44:04.970 --> 00:44:06.970 them, and they take a unit off 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.239 the market or they go. To that 00:44:11.810 --> 00:44:13.810 huge. Buyers now that are out 00:44:13.879 --> 00:44:15.879 paying cash for properties. And 00:44:18.483 --> 00:44:20.483 they have the money. To do 00:44:20.652 --> 00:44:22.184 whatever they want, and those rents are going to be very 00:44:25.622 --> 00:44:27.622 high. They're taking. This is 00:44:28.693 --> 00:44:30.760 all taking affordable housing out of the affordable housing 00:44:31.395 --> 00:44:32.996 pool. That's all it's doing. It is not addressing homelessness 00:44:36.133 --> 00:44:38.133 in. Anyway and the narrative 00:44:40.370 --> 00:44:41.637 that it is misinformed. It's naive, and it's wrong. Thank 00:44:49.344 --> 00:44:51.344 you. Thank you. The next name 00:45:08.564 --> 00:45:10.564 is also iPhone. Okay? Mhm. Be 00:45:23.645 --> 00:45:25.645 there. Mhm. Yeah. And, uh more 00:45:32.553 --> 00:45:34.553 about Yeah, 15 years. Mm hmm. 00:45:55.809 --> 00:45:57.776 True. Mm hmm. Uh huh. I think 00:46:02.781 --> 00:46:04.381 we lost icon. We MAY have to come back to him. Okay. Thank 00:46:06.485 --> 00:46:08.485 you. Thank you. The next name 00:46:22.601 --> 00:46:24.601 is j. 00:46:37.748 --> 00:46:39.748 Okay? The next name on 00:46:49.859 --> 00:46:52.728 the list is. Jerry. SkyMall. Um members. I'm I'm more 00:46:53.300 --> 00:46:54.630 interested in listening at the moment. I don't have anything 00:47:00.770 --> 00:47:02.770 prepared. Thank you. Thank you. 00:47:09.412 --> 00:47:11.412 The next name is Jim Thompson. 00:47:12.581 --> 00:47:14.581 Yeah. Hi. Uh, I'd like to echo. 00:47:14.884 --> 00:47:16.884 Uh Several other replies 00:47:21.123 --> 00:47:23.123 Opposing. This ordinance for, 00:47:23.759 --> 00:47:26.194 uh, the reasons of they were already stated. I see Kathy 00:47:26.194 --> 00:47:27.728 Lambert's on here. I think she's my rep would like to 00:47:31.700 --> 00:47:33.700 stress that I Uh, Of a small 00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:37.300 Uh, property owner. And to lose 00:47:41.142 --> 00:47:43.176 the ability to Ah! You know, evict a tenant would be huge 00:47:43.176 --> 00:47:45.176 because it would drive away my 00:47:46.447 --> 00:47:48.447 good tenants. And uh, that's 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.319 what Just. Push the level of quality of my property lower 00:47:57.424 --> 00:47:59.424 instead of Uh, higher and so Um 00:48:01.328 --> 00:48:03.328 And that in the. Social 00:48:03.396 --> 00:48:06.980 responsibility of preventing homelessness and which no 00:48:07.901 --> 00:48:09.533 nobody likes and all the other negative properties going on in 00:48:11.904 --> 00:48:13.904 society. Uh, You know, to put 00:48:14.474 --> 00:48:17.800 that on landlords, Uh, larger small, just really isn't fair. 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:19.800 And so that's my reply. So 00:48:25.490 --> 00:48:27.490 thank you. Thank you. The next 00:48:35.193 --> 00:48:37.193 name on the list is Joe 0757. 00:48:38.263 --> 00:48:41.130 I'm here. You hear me? Yes I can hear you. If you could please state your first and 00:48:42.933 --> 00:48:45.202 last thing, Uh, Joseph. Wanna go? Last name spelled w a n a g 00:48:49.507 --> 00:48:51.507 e elf. Thank you. Uh I also 00:48:51.842 --> 00:48:53.977 oppose this bill. I'm sure the sheer fact that you know, I used to be a renter. And now 00:48:55.913 --> 00:48:57.913 I'm a landlord. The reality 00:48:58.315 --> 00:49:00.550 effect is we do tremendous service to the county and the 00:49:01.985 --> 00:49:03.619 city. My typical week cause I go. I fixed the door that 00:49:04.254 --> 00:49:06.423 somebody tried to break in due to keep my sentence safe. I 00:49:06.423 --> 00:49:08.423 clean up the homeless poop and 00:49:08.959 --> 00:49:10.959 Allie, I pick up the needles. 00:49:10.994 --> 00:49:13.295 Mow the lawns to pick up the coffee cups. I clean up the 00:49:14.164 --> 00:49:16.598 street. I do all of these things I cleaned graffiti off. 00:49:16.766 --> 00:49:18.766 We do a major service cheaper 00:49:19.936 --> 00:49:22.204 than anyone else can do it. Sheer fact of the matter is 00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:25.340 that the typical landlord and King County when they purchase 00:49:25.441 --> 00:49:27.441 a property, don't make any 00:49:27.743 --> 00:49:29.810 money off the rent. We spend her time hoping that the 00:49:29.810 --> 00:49:31.810 property goes up in value. So 00:49:32.446 --> 00:49:34.470 one day we can make some money. So the 1st 10 years I did all 00:49:36.585 --> 00:49:39.420 of this for free. Any property owned. I was working for free. 00:49:40.210 --> 00:49:41.555 I had a job. I work cleaning other people's cars for a 00:49:44.590 --> 00:49:46.460 living. The simple fact of the matter is passing. This bill is 00:49:47.127 --> 00:49:48.727 going to make it more difficult for landlords to provide the 00:49:52.133 --> 00:49:54.301 service. It's just that simple. All right. I guess I guess 00:49:55.303 --> 00:49:57.771 that's my time. No, that that was my email. Go ahead. Okay? 00:50:01.308 --> 00:50:03.808 And so. The simple fact that is we do things cheaper than the 00:50:04.443 --> 00:50:07.413 city or meanwhile, it can do it. I do it yourself. Landlord is vital to this community. My 00:50:10.250 --> 00:50:12.251 rents are lower. Do more work. I don't make a lot of money 00:50:13.420 --> 00:50:15.540 doing it, and we're providing a service and also that the sheer 00:50:18.123 --> 00:50:19.658 fact is. Violations come from other tenants when they're 00:50:21.394 --> 00:50:24.363 harassing another tenant. Attacking another tenant, 00:50:24.630 --> 00:50:26.933 causing problems. Another tenant landlord doesn't come in 00:50:26.933 --> 00:50:29.668 and just start throwing violations that everybody it 00:50:29.968 --> 00:50:32.372 comes from other tenants saying, Hey, this horrible thing is happening to me. You as a 00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:36.406 landlord need to fix that. And if you take away those things, 00:50:37.410 --> 00:50:38.641 how am I supposed to fix it? And finally, the whole credit 00:50:40.612 --> 00:50:42.612 check? That's my only criteria. 00:50:42.646 --> 00:50:45.150 So what? What am I supposed to do if you take that away? Am I 00:50:45.517 --> 00:50:48.319 supposed to judge people by my first impression of them? I 00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:50.420 mean, I guess I don't get it. 00:50:51.220 --> 00:50:53.757 How do I? How do I rent to somebody, if my own am I really supposed to judge by first 00:50:54.359 --> 00:50:56.359 impression? I mean, I guess I 00:50:58.830 --> 00:51:00.830 don't get it. Thank you. Thank 00:51:03.834 --> 00:51:05.834 you. The next name on the list 00:51:20.150 --> 00:51:22.718 is Jim Henderson. Good 00:51:22.952 --> 00:51:25.387 afternoon, and Jim understand representing the rental Housing 00:51:26.156 --> 00:51:28.156 Association of Washington. I'm 00:51:28.858 --> 00:51:30.858 here to testify not in support 00:51:33.462 --> 00:51:35.597 of this belt. This this bill is. Having you know not only 00:51:38.934 --> 00:51:41.636 outdated, but it has, um most of all of these policies are 00:51:43.105 --> 00:51:45.740 already in state law and or have become stable love that we 00:51:46.608 --> 00:51:49.242 have not been able to use yet, so I would would encourage the 00:51:50.946 --> 00:51:53.214 council to not move this bill forward. Spend some time 00:51:55.817 --> 00:51:58.218 reevaluating the current. Laws that were passed by the 00:51:58.586 --> 00:52:01.455 Legislature this year. And how those duplicate you represent 00:52:02.490 --> 00:52:04.724 this bill, but then also align your other policies with the 00:52:07.160 --> 00:52:08.628 existing state law. Um. In addition, these bills 00:52:12.766 --> 00:52:14.634 discourage. Homeowners broke landlords and staying in the 00:52:15.269 --> 00:52:17.870 market and encourages them believe the market rebooting 00:52:18.272 --> 00:52:19.972 the housing available to the community that that are in the 00:52:22.976 --> 00:52:24.976 most need of housing. This bill 00:52:25.946 --> 00:52:27.946 also makes it more difficult 00:52:28.248 --> 00:52:30.215 for those residents who need a landlord who had some 00:52:30.817 --> 00:52:32.817 flexibility to work with them 00:52:32.886 --> 00:52:35.120 when they're not able to meet the full criteria of the home 00:52:35.120 --> 00:52:37.120 that they're applying for. 00:52:40.926 --> 00:52:42.427 Thank you. Thank you. The next name on the list is Josh 00:52:50.270 --> 00:52:52.270 Castle. Good afternoon council 00:52:53.872 --> 00:52:55.872 members. I'm Josh Castle jossch 00:52:56.390 --> 00:52:58.209 last named c a. S t l e. And I'm the community engagement director with the Low Income 00:52:59.511 --> 00:53:01.979 Housing Institute. I'm testifying today in support of 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:05.480 proposed Ordinance two Oh, 21. 00:53:05.490 --> 00:53:06.650 Oh 131 to establish just cause eviction standards and related 00:53:08.453 --> 00:53:11.210 tenant protections. Thank you to council members, Ally and 00:53:11.722 --> 00:53:13.722 Kohl-Welles for co sponsoring 00:53:14.191 --> 00:53:16.191 Li I owns or operates over 2400 00:53:16.594 --> 00:53:19.362 units of rental housing in 70 Properties across six different counties in the greater 00:53:20.864 --> 00:53:22.864 Peterson area. Many in 00:53:23.667 --> 00:53:25.802 King County. We support this ordinance for a number of reasons for one as a property 00:53:28.171 --> 00:53:30.506 owner and manager. We believe that requiring just causes the 00:53:30.807 --> 00:53:33.800 best practice and policy that helps property owners limit 00:53:33.610 --> 00:53:36.545 their liability because the policy assists owners to comply 00:53:37.913 --> 00:53:39.881 with existing fair housing laws. We believe this will improve 00:53:40.350 --> 00:53:43.180 relationships between landlords and tenants. Aye, resolving a 00:53:43.352 --> 00:53:46.122 number of longstanding grey areas in the law that will 00:53:46.122 --> 00:53:48.223 allow for better management of expectations on lease terms and 00:53:50.893 --> 00:53:52.893 tendency, tendencies. The most 00:53:53.362 --> 00:53:55.430 importantly, this policy will reduce and prevent homelessness 00:53:56.965 --> 00:53:59.670 and housing insecurity and help keep a great many people and families inside. We are bracing 00:53:59.670 --> 00:54:01.670 for the severe impact on so 00:54:01.937 --> 00:54:04.871 many. When the eviction moratorium is lifted, As we 00:54:05.600 --> 00:54:07.873 know many renters will face eviction, our case managers and 00:54:08.209 --> 00:54:10.210 other frontline staff understand full well. The 00:54:10.478 --> 00:54:13.246 challenges are resident and clients face who are served by 00:54:13.581 --> 00:54:16.383 our tiny house villages and hand shelters or urban rest 00:54:16.418 --> 00:54:18.652 stops when they have an addiction on the record that 00:54:18.986 --> 00:54:21.287 exacerbates and deepens their homelessness makes it especially challenging to 00:54:22.857 --> 00:54:25.658 obtain housing for them. And contributes significantly to 00:54:26.260 --> 00:54:28.695 our county and regions. Almost this crisis, these tender 00:54:28.695 --> 00:54:31.970 protections will be a crucial tool to retain housing 00:54:31.365 --> 00:54:33.933 stability, especially for communities of color, who are disproportionately impacted by 00:54:36.469 --> 00:54:38.604 the pandemic. We encourage the council to enact this 00:54:38.805 --> 00:54:41.440 ordinance, which will advance housing justice and prevent homeless homelessness. For 00:54:46.511 --> 00:54:48.511 many, thank you. Thank you. The 00:54:51.217 --> 00:54:53.852 next name is Joshua. His desktop. That's your last name. 00:54:58.157 --> 00:55:00.390 Uh, you could. Right Yeah. Yeah Josh Desktop is my name now. 00:55:02.861 --> 00:55:04.861 It's uh mashable fans f a n. T. 00:55:08.232 --> 00:55:10.901 And I oppose 2021 0131. Uh I thought it was interesting how well prepared the individuals 00:55:12.437 --> 00:55:14.437 supporting these bills where. 00:55:14.773 --> 00:55:17.574 Uh just detailed the detailed stories of the tanks and Children suffering at the hands 00:55:19.644 --> 00:55:22.479 of the evil landlord. I'm just not sure why landlords are supposed to be the superheroes 00:55:24.215 --> 00:55:26.215 of the King County. I'm not 00:55:26.417 --> 00:55:28.919 sure why this King County can't get their heads together and figure out some other solutions 00:55:28.919 --> 00:55:30.919 for the tenants, families and 00:55:32.560 --> 00:55:34.389 Children and the homeless. Um it just doesn't seem fair to 00:55:34.858 --> 00:55:37.493 the landlord's. I was siding with Joe earlier, man. He just 00:55:38.562 --> 00:55:40.129 explain the last 10 years of my life to just work the grunt 00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:45.000 work that I did to keep these. The housing in good condition 00:55:45.969 --> 00:55:47.969 in I'm not a greedy guy. I take 00:55:49.539 --> 00:55:52.274 care of my tenants. Um. It's really frustrating to have my 00:55:52.875 --> 00:55:55.343 state and the county and the city turning against me every 00:55:56.711 --> 00:55:59.614 angle. Um you know, even the eviction like the moratorium. Who's paying for that, like the 00:56:02.718 --> 00:56:04.686 landlords are. I guess I don't understand why the only 00:56:05.254 --> 00:56:07.522 solution to put the welfare of tenants and families and 00:56:07.522 --> 00:56:09.900 homeless people is on the landlord's. It just doesn't 00:56:11.250 --> 00:56:13.360 make sense. To give you a background. I own North Pacific 00:56:14.529 --> 00:56:16.529 properties we manage about over 00:56:16.731 --> 00:56:18.332 1400 units and King County. I have 10 to 12 properties in my 00:56:22.337 --> 00:56:24.772 own. And. Over the last year of notes. We have a lot of clients 00:56:24.772 --> 00:56:26.305 that we're gonna be selling their properties and just 00:56:26.808 --> 00:56:28.441 getting out of the business or they're buying in other states. 00:56:30.311 --> 00:56:32.812 I personally have. 8 to 10 personal residential properties 00:56:33.470 --> 00:56:34.981 that I'm considering selling to you if something like this 00:56:35.683 --> 00:56:37.684 passes because it's there's no way I'm going to be at risk 00:56:38.552 --> 00:56:40.953 like this. I'm already looking in other states for opportunities where they don't 00:56:43.724 --> 00:56:45.724 treat landlords like this. Um 00:56:45.759 --> 00:56:48.426 So I guess I'm just curious what the actual motivation is because it's very counter 00:56:51.297 --> 00:56:53.532 productive. As many people said earlier. The supply is going to 00:56:54.650 --> 00:56:55.635 go down, demands gonna go up. It's going to be even harder 00:56:57.736 --> 00:57:00.237 for tends to get housing. So it almost seems correct. Like 00:57:00.772 --> 00:57:03.207 there's something we don't know behind the scenes because it 00:57:03.375 --> 00:57:04.842 doesn't it makes so little sense. There has to be 00:57:11.781 --> 00:57:13.781 something we don't understand. 00:57:16.887 --> 00:57:18.488 Obviously done so. Thanks. The next name on the list is Josh 00:57:26.964 --> 00:57:28.965 Castle. I believe I already testified. But thank you. I 00:57:37.774 --> 00:57:40.475 apologize. Bus gets the Honor System Award for the day. We're not taking advantage. That kid, 00:57:46.716 --> 00:57:48.716 Josh Yeah. The next name of 00:57:55.724 --> 00:57:57.724 this is Juliet Cook. Thank you. 00:57:58.259 --> 00:58:00.259 My name is Julia Cooke. J u l I 00:58:01.330 --> 00:58:03.698 a c Okay, e. I submitted some comments by email earlier this 00:58:04.933 --> 00:58:07.868 week as well. Have am testifying, uh, to ask you to 00:58:10.438 --> 00:58:13.400 reconsider the. Questions Ordinance 2021 Oh 1 31 00:58:15.410 --> 00:58:18.177 regarding rental housing. Have a house in old town is Aqua, 00:58:18.479 --> 00:58:21.179 and it has an apartment over a garage that we've rented out 00:58:21.415 --> 00:58:23.415 happily since purchasing the 00:58:23.951 --> 00:58:26.619 home in 2016, the ability to rent out that apartment made 00:58:26.619 --> 00:58:28.219 the purchase of a home in 2016, a much more viable option for 00:58:31.570 --> 00:58:33.292 us. Since that time, we've been proud to offer a more viable 00:58:34.940 --> 00:58:36.896 rental and more affordable rental option that most of the 00:58:37.164 --> 00:58:39.599 large apartment complexes around us most of the homes 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.133 around us in our neighborhood also have eighties of some 00:58:43.269 --> 00:58:45.269 sort. It's how people are 00:58:45.405 --> 00:58:48.207 paying for college education for their Children or making their mortgage payments or 00:58:49.108 --> 00:58:51.877 creating the retirement. It's middle class families, making 00:58:51.878 --> 00:58:53.411 it work and creating affordable and mixed housing in their 00:58:55.470 --> 00:58:57.470 midst. This ordinance will kill 00:58:57.983 --> 00:58:59.983 this type of housing. If we 00:59:00.252 --> 00:59:02.587 can't run a credit check and know that the person or people 00:59:02.988 --> 00:59:04.889 that we're inviting to live in our backyards and over our 00:59:05.557 --> 00:59:07.158 garages actually does pay their bills and has the resources to 00:59:10.429 --> 00:59:12.620 do so. Will simply stop renting to anyone. We don't have a 00:59:13.632 --> 00:59:15.265 personal connection to the diversity in our community will 00:59:16.299 --> 00:59:18.569 die. The ability to take a chance on someone will die 00:59:18.703 --> 00:59:20.304 because we can't risk our own livelihoods, homes and futures 00:59:23.139 --> 00:59:25.408 that way. My mortgage company, Puget Sound Energy, waste 00:59:26.210 --> 00:59:28.577 management ecology in the city of physical all require me to 00:59:28.978 --> 00:59:30.579 pay my bills on time, regardless of if the tenant in 00:59:32.583 --> 00:59:34.717 the apartment on my property. That's included in those bills 00:59:35.652 --> 00:59:37.453 has paid their rent. To me. It's my credit that will be 00:59:37.653 --> 00:59:39.723 reactive. I'm late on those commitments by saying my tenant 00:59:39.723 --> 00:59:41.723 didn't pay on time doesn't 00:59:43.930 --> 00:59:45.361 change that. I just have to come up with the difference in 00:59:45.629 --> 00:59:48.496 pay, taking away the one safeguard of being able to run 00:59:49.265 --> 00:59:51.932 a credit check and making sure that the prospective tenant has 00:59:52.202 --> 00:59:53.835 a good record for paying rent and paying bills is vital for 00:59:56.272 --> 00:59:58.807 small landlords like me. Please vote against this ordinance as 00:59:59.750 --> 01:00:01.844 it stands, or at least make small make allowances for small 01:00:02.478 --> 01:00:05.212 landlords because we're the ones actually offering options 01:00:06.810 --> 01:00:08.384 and affordable housing were the ones diversifying our communities don't make it 01:00:08.384 --> 01:00:10.384 impossible for us to rent out 01:00:12.870 --> 01:00:14.388 or 80 years. This ordinance is not a short term covid 01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:17.358 responsible, but it's a long term change to the landlord 01:00:18.860 --> 01:00:20.961 tenant relationship there are and there should be relief programs to help people pay 01:00:22.295 --> 01:00:23.797 their rent. But it's unrealistic people and 01:00:25.833 --> 01:00:27.701 North Highline. To the credit history of those seeking to 01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:31.300 rat. Thank you. Thank you, 01:00:35.775 --> 01:00:37.410 MADAM Chair. Zahilay. Thank you. Council members are like, 01:00:38.811 --> 01:00:41.147 please go ahead. Thank you. Um I know this legislation is 01:00:41.181 --> 01:00:43.883 going to come up later on in the day. But just in case the 01:00:43.884 --> 01:00:46.152 people who are giving public comment, are not going to stick around for another couple 01:00:48.654 --> 01:00:50.654 hours. Just want to clarify 01:00:50.689 --> 01:00:53.426 just a couple of things that that's okay with you. Um I have 01:00:53.426 --> 01:00:56.290 a lot of sympathy for the people who are calling in. I 01:00:56.290 --> 01:00:58.197 completely understand the frustration and it's not their 01:00:58.197 --> 01:00:59.798 fault that the rental Housing association has been spreading 01:01:03.169 --> 01:01:05.804 midd. It's not their fault felt, but this legislation does not 01:01:06.672 --> 01:01:08.972 prohibit credit reports. This legislation does not ban 01:01:09.241 --> 01:01:10.842 background checks your right to do that is protected by state 01:01:13.312 --> 01:01:15.312 law. This legislation does not 01:01:15.381 --> 01:01:17.448 allow criminal activity. That is a just cause for that 01:01:18.283 --> 01:01:20.451 eviction, so I'm not sure why people are talking about 01:01:20.451 --> 01:01:22.860 tenants attacking people. The last time I checked, that was a 01:01:24.122 --> 01:01:27.240 criminal act. And this legislation also does not allow 01:01:28.526 --> 01:01:31.261 tenants to not pay rent, so I don't I just wanted to clarify 01:01:32.630 --> 01:01:34.931 those few things because I know there are still going to be a 01:01:34.931 --> 01:01:36.931 lot of people calling in to 01:01:37.602 --> 01:01:39.469 mention those items, but I just wanted to make sure that 01:01:39.737 --> 01:01:41.906 they're informed in what they're saying so I just wanted 01:01:41.906 --> 01:01:43.906 to put those things up out 01:01:44.807 --> 01:01:46.807 there. Thank you so much. Thank 01:01:47.770 --> 01:01:49.846 you and just I want to encourage folks who are 01:01:51.348 --> 01:01:53.470 interested in this legislation to follow the briefing that we 01:01:55.585 --> 01:01:57.585 have later in the meeting. And 01:01:57.587 --> 01:01:59.722 uh, that same website. I talked about earlier for watching our 01:02:01.724 --> 01:02:03.724 meetings. You are able to pull 01:02:03.826 --> 01:02:06.661 up the packets for our meetings and read the staff report and 01:02:09.818 --> 01:02:11.866 ordinance itself, uh, which would also provide more information about what is and is not in the proposal. Um 01:02:14.270 --> 01:02:16.270 MADAM Chair. Council member 01:02:16.804 --> 01:02:18.804 Dembowski Europe, Sometimes 01:02:18.806 --> 01:02:21.443 council for big Issues will put a special tab on our main page 01:02:21.443 --> 01:02:23.443 and link the key documents 01:02:24.120 --> 01:02:26.914 there. And given that we have a number of amendments talked about here, and there's a great 01:02:27.820 --> 01:02:28.648 interest in this could we asked our communications staff if 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.254 that would be possible. Yeah, we'll take that up after after 01:02:34.756 --> 01:02:36.957 today, when we see what path this is going to be on. It has 01:02:37.324 --> 01:02:39.593 been expedited out of community to today, so there hasn't 01:02:40.428 --> 01:02:42.963 hasn't There hasn't been a lot of background or public 01:02:44.980 --> 01:02:46.300 communication on this, but we can certainly do what we can in 01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:48.300 the time we have. Thank you, 01:02:48.936 --> 01:02:51.671 Councilmember Dembowski. Thank you. Yeah, that legislative 01:02:51.905 --> 01:02:54.841 function can be a little tough and what if there's a quick 01:02:54.841 --> 01:02:57.577 link for folks to be able to do their research would be awesome. 01:02:59.179 --> 01:03:00.813 Yeah Yeah, let me suggest to the members of the public that 01:03:02.749 --> 01:03:04.717 legislators is probably not, uh, something You want to be diving 01:03:05.585 --> 01:03:07.786 into casually, and it can be very frustrating. That is a 01:03:08.860 --> 01:03:10.155 true statement. All right, thank you. Council members. 01:03:10.590 --> 01:03:12.190 Let's continue with the public hearing. MADAM Clerk, Please 01:03:15.995 --> 01:03:17.595 continue. Thank you. Thank you, MADAM. Jump. The next name is 01:03:24.169 --> 01:03:26.169 Julian catbird. Oh, hello. Hang 01:03:29.841 --> 01:03:31.841 on. I'm trying to just a sec. 01:03:35.450 --> 01:03:37.450 I'm trying to start my video. 01:03:37.348 --> 01:03:39.348 Oh okay. I'll find uh Yeah, I 01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.321 am. I appreciate, um. Mr He lays comments right then 01:03:44.489 --> 01:03:47.424 because I do need some clarity on this, and I would like to 01:03:48.392 --> 01:03:49.925 see I'd like to get a link where I can find out more 01:03:54.764 --> 01:03:56.764 information. Um I too am a 01:03:56.934 --> 01:03:58.568 small time landlord here, Uh, for 25 years never had to evict 01:04:00.571 --> 01:04:02.538 anybody. So, um. Yeah, The credit check is really 01:04:03.507 --> 01:04:05.608 important. I feel and I understand the just cause 01:04:06.842 --> 01:04:08.477 process and it just gets very technical and legal, And that's 01:04:13.249 --> 01:04:14.850 okay. Um I think if we can. I would just say if you can make 01:04:17.318 --> 01:04:19.688 some of your thinking. Pivot towards the small landlord like 01:04:20.389 --> 01:04:22.389 all these folks here, you know 01:04:23.526 --> 01:04:26.228 outfits that have 2030 40 50. Whatever units are have a 01:04:26.228 --> 01:04:28.228 manager. It's all very 01:04:28.264 --> 01:04:31.165 impersonal. My tenants are my customers. I keep my rents below market because I have a 01:04:35.170 --> 01:04:38.105 life besides my rental And, um. All of the laws that have been 01:04:38.507 --> 01:04:41.108 coming up in the city of Seattle and the King County in 01:04:41.509 --> 01:04:43.577 the last few years, are making it less pleasant for me, and, 01:04:46.781 --> 01:04:48.949 um. Pretty much sure I'm going to actually saw my rental and 01:04:48.950 --> 01:04:50.717 someone's going to buy it, And they're probably going to Jack 01:04:51.285 --> 01:04:53.285 up the rents because I keep my 01:04:55.321 --> 01:04:57.857 rents low and because it's just. It's hard being a small 01:05:00.861 --> 01:05:02.528 landlord and, um. That's all. It's just really hard if you 01:05:03.396 --> 01:05:05.396 can make an exception for small 01:05:05.699 --> 01:05:07.968 people with 234 units, you know, and a lot of this stuff is like 01:05:07.968 --> 01:05:10.636 trying to squash an ant with a giant sledgehammer. Maybe 01:05:12.472 --> 01:05:14.472 there's a way you can make. The 01:05:16.641 --> 01:05:18.641 law be flexible. Towards us, 01:05:19.112 --> 01:05:21.213 That's all I'm asking, and I am going to try to follow up on 01:05:21.447 --> 01:05:24.249 some of the links that you've given us because yes, we have 01:05:26.185 --> 01:05:28.954 If the bill indeed does not. Stop us from doing a credit 01:05:29.355 --> 01:05:31.355 check. Then why are we getting 01:05:31.690 --> 01:05:33.892 misinformation? I'd like to find out about that. So thank you very much. And thanks for 01:05:42.634 --> 01:05:44.634 your work. Thank you. The next 01:05:45.537 --> 01:05:47.537 thing is Julie. Oh, Julia 01:05:54.445 --> 01:05:56.679 Cooke. I also already spoke. Thank you. Well I apologize. 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:58.679 The names are switching around 01:06:08.292 --> 01:06:10.292 on me. The next name is k mail. 01:06:10.894 --> 01:06:13.620 Yes. Hi Can you hear me? I can hear you. If you could please state your name and spell it 01:06:16.990 --> 01:06:18.990 for the record. Yes So my name 01:06:19.835 --> 01:06:21.835 is Kathryn Carter k a t h e r I 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.341 n e c a r t e r and I own a single family house in north 01:06:27.610 --> 01:06:29.610 Seattle and I ran out rooms to 01:06:30.790 --> 01:06:32.790 a roommate and I'm speaking 01:06:33.549 --> 01:06:35.684 against this, um, this proposal. First of all the process of 01:06:35.684 --> 01:06:37.684 this proposal has been very 01:06:40.122 --> 01:06:42.122 rushed. There's uh there hasn't 01:06:43.258 --> 01:06:45.459 been room for stakeholders all the stakeholders to give their 01:06:46.610 --> 01:06:48.610 feedback, especially small 01:06:48.595 --> 01:06:51.498 landlords and really understand even what this legislation is 01:06:52.867 --> 01:06:55.536 fully about. Um we're trying to get the information that we can 01:06:56.471 --> 01:06:59.239 and it's hard to do so and it's been very rushed, so I would 01:06:59.841 --> 01:07:01.375 ask that you slow down the process before taking any 01:07:04.378 --> 01:07:06.378 action on this. And also as a 01:07:06.947 --> 01:07:09.682 small landlord in Seattle, Uh, there have been a tremendous 01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:12.785 number of new regulations. I believe it's something like 16. 01:07:13.721 --> 01:07:15.721 New regulations have passed in 01:07:16.423 --> 01:07:18.423 the past couple of years and as 01:07:18.925 --> 01:07:20.925 a small landlord without legal 01:07:21.393 --> 01:07:24.163 team, it's exhausting, and it's overwhelming to try to deal 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:27.599 with all this new legislation 01:07:27.967 --> 01:07:30.268 and every single piece of legislation that passes makes 01:07:30.268 --> 01:07:32.268 it more and more difficult and 01:07:33.773 --> 01:07:36.541 risky to be a landlord. And especially as a small landlord, 01:07:36.876 --> 01:07:38.876 You know if there's a large 01:07:39.211 --> 01:07:41.980 commercial agency that has 100 tenants if they have one bad 01:07:42.815 --> 01:07:44.815 tenant, that's 1% of their 01:07:45.349 --> 01:07:47.349 tenants. But if we just have 01:07:47.619 --> 01:07:50.521 one house and we have one bad tenant, that's 100% of our 01:07:50.656 --> 01:07:52.656 tenants, and we just don't have 01:07:54.992 --> 01:07:56.992 the legal. Teams to deal with 01:07:57.996 --> 01:07:59.996 this and to kind of speak to 01:08:00.899 --> 01:08:02.899 council member. Um uh, Haley 01:08:05.169 --> 01:08:07.204 said earlier. Um. He's saying, Oh, well, These things are 01:08:07.739 --> 01:08:10.640 illegal so you can just evict people well, eviction in the 01:08:12.576 --> 01:08:15.378 courts is a hugely expensive and time consuming and 01:08:16.280 --> 01:08:19.182 stressful process. So that's that's not a good solution for 01:08:19.749 --> 01:08:22.685 small landlords. We can't afford it. We need something like to be able to end the 01:08:28.725 --> 01:08:30.326 tenancy. Uh yes. So please oppose this legislation. Thank 01:08:36.166 --> 01:08:38.166 you. Thank you. Thank you. The 01:08:41.337 --> 01:08:43.337 next then he is. Katie Wilson. 01:08:50.980 --> 01:08:52.981 Yeah. By council members. Um, thank you for hearing our 01:08:53.649 --> 01:08:55.716 testimony this afternoon. My name is Katie Wilson and the 01:08:55.950 --> 01:08:58.419 general secretary of the Transit Riders Union, and I'm 01:08:58.986 --> 01:09:00.855 also helping to coordinate the state Housed Stay healthy 01:09:02.757 --> 01:09:05.526 Coalition, which is supporting. Stronger renter protections 01:09:05.860 --> 01:09:08.128 throughout King County both emergency protections in 01:09:08.663 --> 01:09:10.765 response to the Covid 19 crisis and also permanent renter 01:09:10.765 --> 01:09:12.765 protections like the ones that 01:09:14.100 --> 01:09:16.803 you all are considering today. We strongly support this 01:09:17.171 --> 01:09:19.973 package of legislation. We think it's long overdue really 01:09:21.809 --> 01:09:24.610 important and also has had quite a lot of process now through the King County council, So thank you for that. 01:09:28.215 --> 01:09:30.783 Um. Yeah. I mean, a lot of the testimony that we've heard so 01:09:31.583 --> 01:09:33.652 far, I think, as has been said, is directed against things that 01:09:33.887 --> 01:09:36.787 this legislation doesn't actually do. Um, We've also 01:09:36.790 --> 01:09:39.580 heard that it's both that it's unnecessary because it 01:09:39.559 --> 01:09:41.760 duplicates state protections that are already in effect, and also that it's going to do 01:09:45.980 --> 01:09:47.432 wildly new things. Um so I'm also curious how many of the 01:09:47.767 --> 01:09:50.568 landlord testifying today actually operate in unincorporated King County? I 01:09:50.569 --> 01:09:53.171 think it's just important to emphasize that that's the jurisdiction to which this 01:09:55.975 --> 01:09:57.909 legislation applies. And almost every element of the 01:09:58.542 --> 01:10:00.878 legislation is already in place in some jurisdictions in 01:10:02.214 --> 01:10:04.515 King County, so federal way in Auburn, both have local just 01:10:05.283 --> 01:10:08.850 cause ordinances that apply to all leases. Seattle just amended its just cause law to 01:10:09.888 --> 01:10:12.390 apply to all leases. So we really think that this 01:10:12.390 --> 01:10:15.920 legislation is an important step toward trying to kind of 01:10:16.461 --> 01:10:18.600 harmonised renter protection legislation throughout the 01:10:19.330 --> 01:10:22.165 county so that we don't have wildly different standards in 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:25.669 different cities. And so I just really want to thank the council members for bringing 01:10:27.238 --> 01:10:29.973 this forward because I think. It'll set a really good 01:10:31.375 --> 01:10:33.811 standard. Um, that hopefully we can, uh, you know, cities 01:10:33.912 --> 01:10:36.780 around the county, then we'll be able to follow so that, um, 01:10:38.215 --> 01:10:41.160 you know, we won't have. Confusing different regulations 01:10:41.818 --> 01:10:43.952 in in different cities, and I also think it's very important 01:10:44.320 --> 01:10:46.922 not to exempt small landlords for a couple of reasons when 01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:49.858 it's under does sometimes happen that larger when landlords form separate llc's 01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:54.396 for different properties. But second and perhaps more 01:10:54.797 --> 01:10:57.464 important, the renters of small and where it's also need these 01:10:57.733 --> 01:10:59.334 protections. These are basic common sense protections that 01:11:00.135 --> 01:11:02.135 all renters deserve. Thank you. 01:11:04.730 --> 01:11:06.730 Thank you. The next name is 01:11:10.912 --> 01:11:12.912 Laura Low. Hello everybody. My 01:11:13.882 --> 01:11:15.882 name is Laura. Low l a u r a l 01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:19.254 m e she her pronouns And I am speaking today on behalf of 01:11:19.254 --> 01:11:21.620 many renters that are out work and couldn't be here. So many 01:11:21.956 --> 01:11:23.990 folks have called it our landlords and because they have 01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:26.593 flexible schedules, But renters are working and, you know, 01:11:28.829 --> 01:11:31.798 trying to pay those bills. Organized with many other renters in Seattle and 01:11:32.566 --> 01:11:34.566 throughout King County and 01:11:35.135 --> 01:11:37.904 runner protections are one way to address the disparate impact 01:11:37.937 --> 01:11:40.873 that happens to low income communities. Immigrant communities people with 01:11:41.575 --> 01:11:44.760 disabilities, black, indigenous and other communities of color that our greatest risk of 01:11:45.812 --> 01:11:48.547 housing insecurity. When you pass these protections that are 01:11:49.849 --> 01:11:51.717 common sense, and, um I really want to push back on what 01:11:51.985 --> 01:11:53.520 you've heard today from the landlords if somebody is 01:11:55.388 --> 01:11:57.589 causing harm to another tenant. That's that's covered under 01:11:57.757 --> 01:11:59.925 just cause eviction. You'd still be able to evict somebody 01:12:00.658 --> 01:12:03.628 that's causing harm. The credit check is not part of this. This is for unincorporated 01:12:04.396 --> 01:12:06.398 King County. Um landlord. You're paying a lot of money to 01:12:06.398 --> 01:12:07.966 your landlord Association ally to you. So you need to look 01:12:10.702 --> 01:12:13.638 into that. Council County Council member Zahilay County 01:12:14.406 --> 01:12:17.175 Council member, uh, gin, Kohl-Welles and, um the other 01:12:17.509 --> 01:12:19.509 council members sponsoring us. 01:12:19.711 --> 01:12:21.513 Thank you so much. Uh please pass these permanent 01:12:22.470 --> 01:12:24.682 protections for just cause cap moving in late fees and require 01:12:24.682 --> 01:12:26.250 longer noticed for significant rent increases. We strongly 01:12:29.870 --> 01:12:31.121 support this package. And I'm speaking on behalf of share the 01:12:31.822 --> 01:12:33.455 city's action fund but also as a renter in 98, 119. Thank you 01:12:39.495 --> 01:12:41.296 so much. Thank you. Yeah. The next name on the list is Lynn 01:12:47.336 --> 01:12:49.336 Austin. Hi I'm Lynn in Austin 01:12:49.873 --> 01:12:52.677 and I would like to oppose this legislation. My husband and I 01:12:53.810 --> 01:12:55.411 are that mom and pop up. We have too little houses that we 01:13:00.830 --> 01:13:02.830 rent. One of them is in arrears 01:13:02.952 --> 01:13:05.220 from Covid. And every week I get people who want to buy 01:13:06.220 --> 01:13:08.157 those houses and their little houses. I'm sure they'd sell 01:13:08.157 --> 01:13:10.892 that cod cakes. I can't afford to pay other people's rent. And 01:13:13.195 --> 01:13:15.195 we're working with them. And 01:13:16.832 --> 01:13:19.567 also, I don't have the inclination to keep track of 01:13:19.968 --> 01:13:21.869 the millions of different things that I could possibly do 01:13:23.438 --> 01:13:25.390 wrong so that they don't have to eight. It just gives me a 01:13:25.874 --> 01:13:27.874 headache and scares me and this 01:13:29.277 --> 01:13:32.790 is our retirement were old and. We've always kept the rates 01:13:32.582 --> 01:13:35.149 below market rate so that we can attract the kind of renters 01:13:35.149 --> 01:13:37.149 that will just come and stay. 01:13:42.389 --> 01:13:44.424 Um. I don't know what to say. I. I'm hearing conflicting 01:13:46.327 --> 01:13:48.528 information, and I don't want to put homeless people on the street or have that nine year 01:13:50.631 --> 01:13:52.631 old girl. Have to be homeless 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:56.102 in. I don't want that to happen, but I think there has to be 01:13:56.603 --> 01:13:58.605 some other way of helping those people. Besides we pay the 01:13:58.605 --> 01:14:00.605 rent. I just don't understand. 01:14:04.711 --> 01:14:06.711 Thank you. Thank you. The next 01:14:11.717 --> 01:14:14.651 name is Mark. Kapalua Toe. Thank you for letting me speak. 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:16.920 I haven't prepared anything. 01:14:17.156 --> 01:14:19.156 I've been listening avidly to 01:14:19.224 --> 01:14:20.792 what's being said, Uh, I am like one of the many on this 01:14:22.828 --> 01:14:24.828 call. Who is they? Small 01:14:25.831 --> 01:14:28.132 landlord. I work very hard to save some money to buy some properties to generate 01:14:28.132 --> 01:14:30.132 something come from 01:14:30.767 --> 01:14:32.767 requirement. It's becoming more 01:14:35.572 --> 01:14:38.442 and more onerous. To be successful at that, and to generate the income that I need 01:14:42.280 --> 01:14:44.514 to live. We cannot be held responsible for salt, something 01:14:46.484 --> 01:14:48.484 else social bills. People who 01:14:49.787 --> 01:14:51.821 are displaced and dispossessed. Cause of economic sense 01:14:53.157 --> 01:14:55.157 situations. The one thing I 01:14:55.792 --> 01:14:57.792 will say is that any city or 01:14:58.295 --> 01:15:00.463 state or county needs investments in wanting to be 01:15:01.130 --> 01:15:03.130 successful in order to generate 01:15:03.233 --> 01:15:05.233 revenue used to pay for the 01:15:06.469 --> 01:15:08.469 social programs that you need. 01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:11.605 Uh laws like these, and regulations like these are 01:15:12.542 --> 01:15:14.542 driving people like me to 01:15:14.977 --> 01:15:16.977 disinvest from the country from 01:15:17.180 --> 01:15:19.180 the county and move my money to 01:15:20.383 --> 01:15:23.284 a more respectable environment. So I think if you pardon the 01:15:23.484 --> 01:15:26.287 expression, I think what you're proposing here is you're 01:15:26.287 --> 01:15:27.887 creating more problems bigger problems than the ones you're 01:15:30.692 --> 01:15:32.760 trying to solve. The expression, our users. I think it's throwing the baby out of the 01:15:34.728 --> 01:15:37.310 bath water. And I would strongly suggest that you 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:40.734 review revise your strategy as to how you're going to solve 01:15:41.368 --> 01:15:43.368 the problems of housing and not 01:15:45.390 --> 01:15:47.374 put the entire burden. On small learned more about myself 01:15:48.176 --> 01:15:50.176 because we just can't cope with 01:15:50.243 --> 01:15:51.945 the situation. You're driving us out of business, and you're 01:15:55.950 --> 01:15:57.950 driving us out of state. New 01:16:00.621 --> 01:16:03.356 company. Thank you. Next name on the list is Maryland. The 01:16:17.202 --> 01:16:19.202 fish. Mm. What. The next name 01:16:24.810 --> 01:16:27.579 on the list is Matthew Lang. Hi there. My name is Matthew Lang. 01:16:28.280 --> 01:16:30.615 I you see him pronounce. I'm the lead organizer of the 01:16:31.316 --> 01:16:33.718 Seattle Transit Writers Union Climate justice chair of standing against foreclosure 01:16:35.254 --> 01:16:37.321 and eviction. And the legislative director of the 01:16:37.556 --> 01:16:40.457 King County on Democrats, as well as an educator and a small 01:16:41.860 --> 01:16:44.262 business owner twice over. I'm here to express the support of 01:16:44.262 --> 01:16:46.296 the aforementioned organizations for the legislation that's being put 01:16:49.366 --> 01:16:51.635 forward. Just cause evictions and renter protections. Um 01:16:53.370 --> 01:16:55.372 these organizations stand in solidarity with over 60 01:16:55.473 --> 01:16:58.107 organizations in the State House. Stay healthy coalition. 01:16:58.741 --> 01:17:00.709 I want to thank council members Zahilay in Kohl-Welles 01:17:02.278 --> 01:17:03.844 preparing for this legislation. Want to address a couple of 01:17:07.550 --> 01:17:09.550 quick things. Um. We as a 01:17:10.118 --> 01:17:12.454 nation have an issue with protecting the rights of 01:17:13.255 --> 01:17:15.256 property over the rights of people, right and often that 01:17:16.123 --> 01:17:18.123 becomes a racialized issue. 01:17:18.227 --> 01:17:20.227 When we look at King County Our 01:17:23.298 --> 01:17:25.733 homeless population. Where 6% of our general population is 01:17:36.879 --> 01:17:38.767 black 30% of our homeless population is black, where less than 1% of our homeless popular of our general population is Native American or Alaska native. 15% of our homeless 01:17:41.148 --> 01:17:43.148 population. Is from that those 01:17:44.717 --> 01:17:47.420 groups now we looked and in the losing home report in Seattle 01:17:48.355 --> 01:17:50.522 at what happens to people after they get evicted, they become 01:17:51.157 --> 01:17:53.359 homeless, most of them. Only about 14% of people were able 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:55.359 to find something right after 01:17:57.664 --> 01:18:00.166 an eviction. So when we look at that, and then we look at the 01:18:01.701 --> 01:18:04.403 numbers of 52% of all people who are getting evicted are 01:18:05.371 --> 01:18:07.506 people of color. Well, I wonder what you close your eyes and think of when you see a bad 01:18:10.143 --> 01:18:12.143 tenant. The majority of Lords 01:18:12.712 --> 01:18:15.580 in uh, in this area. Singapore Person of color. We need to 01:18:16.515 --> 01:18:18.115 look at that. And look ourselves deep in the mirror. 01:18:18.716 --> 01:18:20.716 Um and we need to start 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:24.655 thinking about. The risk that's happening here. The people are 01:18:26.580 --> 01:18:28.580 explaining their risk being at 01:18:28.460 --> 01:18:31.228 risk, or their investment being at risk. I'm sorry. The 01:18:31.897 --> 01:18:34.865 property values in King County have almost doubled in the past five years. You are swimming in 01:18:35.533 --> 01:18:37.134 profits at the end of property, So get out of here with that. 01:18:43.407 --> 01:18:45.410 Thank you. Thank you. The next name on the list is Megan Gray 01:18:53.617 --> 01:18:56.530 boasts. I'm sorry. I'm just here to observe if you don't 01:18:56.530 --> 01:18:58.530 find it, that's fine. Thank 01:19:00.123 --> 01:19:02.123 you. Thank you so much. The 01:19:08.131 --> 01:19:10.131 next name on the list is Nancy. 01:19:10.266 --> 01:19:12.266 My name's Nancy McKinnon, m c k 01:19:15.138 --> 01:19:18.600 I n n o n. A long time property order. I'm here to support unincorporated King County. 01:19:21.444 --> 01:19:24.212 Land boards. Um, as you've been hearing comments on both sides 01:19:25.848 --> 01:19:27.749 of the story is a very complex issue. It's a very personal 01:19:29.852 --> 01:19:32.587 issue for a lot of people. I've been fighting housing for a lot 01:19:33.322 --> 01:19:35.690 of people over the years working with my tenants, 01:19:36.525 --> 01:19:38.492 knowing my tenants and like some of the gentleman said, I, 01:19:39.327 --> 01:19:41.327 you know, keep my place clean 01:19:42.163 --> 01:19:44.364 and go there and fix faucets. Make sure that the everything 01:19:46.433 --> 01:19:48.433 is working and I work nights. 01:19:48.635 --> 01:19:51.605 So and so I have a regular job and I'll go over their. Work my 01:19:52.440 --> 01:19:54.700 weekends and other days, making sure my tenants have a good 01:19:56.777 --> 01:19:58.777 place to live. I think that 01:19:59.512 --> 01:20:01.512 this ordinance 0131. It's 01:20:03.717 --> 01:20:05.318 really not. I think what you're trying to solve in the social 01:20:10.957 --> 01:20:13.250 issues and Public comments. Are. Feel it's the right step in the 01:20:15.161 --> 01:20:16.729 right direction. But. I really feel that like the landlord, 01:20:19.198 --> 01:20:21.199 just saying. They just can't take the pressure. Just like 01:20:21.401 --> 01:20:23.401 people can't take the pressure 01:20:23.668 --> 01:20:26.371 being affected and the largest organization that does a big people because I've never 01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:29.239 invested anyone. Is the city of 01:20:31.877 --> 01:20:33.877 Seattle. They are the largest, 01:20:34.748 --> 01:20:36.748 um people who, uh, people. So 01:20:38.283 --> 01:20:40.384 Thank you for your comments. Thank you for writing a public 01:20:44.289 --> 01:20:46.289 cousins. Thank you. Thank you. 01:20:46.891 --> 01:20:48.891 The next name is Nora Schultz. 01:20:52.864 --> 01:20:54.864 Mhm. Mm hmm. Thank you very 01:20:55.466 --> 01:20:57.466 much. My name is Nora Schultz. 01:20:58.336 --> 01:20:59.936 That's n o r a h felt easy, and I turned my camera on so that 01:21:00.404 --> 01:21:02.404 council can see me. You're 01:21:04.106 --> 01:21:06.944 right. My family's been in this business for 60 years. My 01:21:08.245 --> 01:21:10.712 parents are 87 91. They've provided housing for a very 01:21:10.914 --> 01:21:13.150 long time. We're not monsters were not like I don't have horns. There's nothing back 01:21:14.718 --> 01:21:16.718 here. We're not evil from 01:21:18.322 --> 01:21:20.322 business. And it's very 01:21:20.623 --> 01:21:22.691 concerning the way that this business has been treated by the state and by local 01:21:24.294 --> 01:21:26.862 authorities for the last. Three years. I mean, there's a lot of 01:21:27.530 --> 01:21:30.980 legislation that's come through is very onerous and burdensome 01:21:30.700 --> 01:21:33.501 on us, and we feel like we're being forced to pay for or 01:21:34.603 --> 01:21:36.104 provide the housing for folks that the state should be 01:21:38.305 --> 01:21:40.575 providing housing for. Covid cost us over $50,000 in lost 01:21:42.578 --> 01:21:44.579 rent that we will never recoup. We are what I would call a 01:21:44.579 --> 01:21:46.579 small landlord, but we own 40 01:21:47.449 --> 01:21:49.850 units in Renton. We are considering getting out of this 01:21:50.552 --> 01:21:52.953 business after 60 years of providing housing for people, 01:21:53.555 --> 01:21:55.622 the average length of our tendency for our tenants is 01:21:56.570 --> 01:21:58.258 nine years. People don't leave us because we don't have high rents and we take good care of 01:22:01.427 --> 01:22:04.640 our people. Um I would say a few things about this proposed 01:22:04.932 --> 01:22:06.932 ordinance. First we object to 01:22:07.266 --> 01:22:09.668 it. Secondly it's redundant. A lot of this is covered by state law. Third is being rushed 01:22:12.606 --> 01:22:14.974 through. But I think not a lot of consideration for how it's written, or the effect of what 01:22:17.377 --> 01:22:20.450 it's doing. Secondly I think Housing Justice project 01:22:20.313 --> 01:22:22.815 provides a lot of the services that this bill is provide that 01:22:23.516 --> 01:22:25.516 is attending to provide funding 01:22:25.852 --> 01:22:28.200 them or adding additional funds to them could help close that gap without creating another 01:22:30.757 --> 01:22:32.757 system. To provide, uh Services 01:22:34.660 --> 01:22:36.660 for tenants. Um. I again object 01:22:37.196 --> 01:22:40.310 to the late fees if I'm late on my rent, or if I'm late on our 01:22:40.833 --> 01:22:42.833 bills, we are charged for that 01:22:43.350 --> 01:22:45.403 more than 1% you know, and a lot of times we don't charge 01:22:46.730 --> 01:22:48.407 our tenants late fees if they're only late once we only charge some of the late fee. If 01:22:48.407 --> 01:22:50.410 it's an egregious problem, we're trying to bring them into 01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:56.479 line. Um. There's accepting wet 01:22:57.150 --> 01:22:59.150 waves my rights that's a little 01:22:59.350 --> 01:23:01.920 disconcerting as well. And I would object to. I believe it was COUNCILMAN And I apologize 01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:03.920 to here. I'm going to say his 01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:07.758 name wrong. But I pulled the Bill Maher Excuse me the 01:23:08.326 --> 01:23:11.270 ordinance as listed on your website did did 69 and it 01:23:12.930 --> 01:23:15.732 specifically states that this ordinance prohibits landlords 01:23:15.733 --> 01:23:17.733 from requesting a social 01:23:18.350 --> 01:23:20.350 security number for the purpose 01:23:23.539 --> 01:23:25.775 of screening of perspective. Without a social security number. We cannot evaluate 01:23:25.775 --> 01:23:27.775 people. Thank you for your 01:23:30.480 --> 01:23:32.470 time. Thank you. The next name on the list is Owen Vander 01:23:40.189 --> 01:23:42.324 Kolk. Oh my name is own Vander Kolk. I'm a law student 01:23:42.458 --> 01:23:44.659 Volunteer with the housing justice project in a 01:23:44.659 --> 01:23:46.227 King County homeowner and a landlord of a single runway 01:23:48.970 --> 01:23:50.532 unit. I'm here to voice my support for the tenant 01:23:50.532 --> 01:23:52.867 protection laws being discussed today. I believe they will 01:23:52.935 --> 01:23:55.137 offer greater security and stability to the most 01:23:55.137 --> 01:23:58.105 vulnerable members of our society of shifting some of the risk to those most capable of 01:24:01.910 --> 01:24:03.542 bearing it. Healthy how society will help everyone. Landlords 01:24:04.646 --> 01:24:06.747 included. We heard from several landlords stating that they're 01:24:06.814 --> 01:24:09.820 selling their rental property because of the tenant 01:24:09.884 --> 01:24:12.220 protection laws being passed. Rental providers selling their units cannot be attributed to 01:24:12.220 --> 01:24:14.220 the tenant protection laws 01:24:14.589 --> 01:24:17.390 being considered today. High housing prices provide 01:24:17.892 --> 01:24:19.626 incredible incentives to those interested in selling the 01:24:20.394 --> 01:24:22.729 rental property unit. If a missed rental payment poses the 01:24:23.197 --> 01:24:25.998 risk of sending your property into foreclosure, and maybe now 01:24:26.498 --> 01:24:28.700 is a good time to sell your property and allow more responsible owner to manage 01:24:30.971 --> 01:24:32.971 that rental unit. Additionally 01:24:33.607 --> 01:24:36.176 King County has $165 million in rental assistance funds that 01:24:36.176 --> 01:24:38.176 will help landlords intended to 01:24:38.244 --> 01:24:40.546 like programs required to distribute those funds have yet 01:24:41.379 --> 01:24:43.515 before we developed In the meantime, tenant protection 01:24:43.549 --> 01:24:46.117 laws are needed to prevent evictions before those tenants can access that rental 01:24:49.889 --> 01:24:52.390 assistance. 200,000 households in Washington are behind on 01:24:53.570 --> 01:24:55.793 rent in an estimated 60,000 of those are in King County 01:24:55.928 --> 01:24:58.329 protecting these residents from eviction. It's the best way to reduce the ballooning 01:25:00.165 --> 01:25:02.967 homelessness crisis. Unincorporated King County had 01:25:03.235 --> 01:25:05.570 the highest number of no cause eviction. Finally despite only 01:25:05.570 --> 01:25:07.570 making up less than 7% of all 01:25:07.772 --> 01:25:09.772 addiction pilots. I really just 01:25:11.543 --> 01:25:13.430 needed Consider supporting the passage of these Senate 01:25:15.413 --> 01:25:17.981 protection laws. Thank you. Thank you. The next name on the 01:25:34.798 --> 01:25:36.798 list is Paul. No tardy. Oh, 01:25:50.913 --> 01:25:52.913 Okay. The next name is Peyton. 01:25:55.184 --> 01:25:57.184 The next name is Randy Vanocur. 01:26:00.222 --> 01:26:02.222 Mm hmm. Thank you, MADAM Chair 01:26:03.292 --> 01:26:05.660 and members of the council. My name is Randy Band occur. I'm 01:26:06.610 --> 01:26:08.663 here on behalf of the saddle King County real tours 01:26:09.296 --> 01:26:10.897 regarding the proposed tenant regulations, And I thank you 01:26:12.532 --> 01:26:14.532 for the opportunity comment. 01:26:14.969 --> 01:26:16.570 And further I appreciate that you're considering amendments 01:26:17.539 --> 01:26:19.539 and will be digging into this 01:26:19.707 --> 01:26:22.509 legislation in greater depth. It's a complex set of issues with some some serious 01:26:25.546 --> 01:26:27.546 consequences. We're engaged 01:26:28.149 --> 01:26:30.149 because many of our members 01:26:31.250 --> 01:26:33.186 either are small landlords or work with small landlords 01:26:36.190 --> 01:26:38.357 owning 1 to 5 units. As you've heard from many of the folks 01:26:39.626 --> 01:26:42.161 who testified today, covert related disruption and rental 01:26:42.694 --> 01:26:45.464 income has placed tremendous financial strain and 01:26:45.931 --> 01:26:47.833 uncertainty for many of these small owners since the mortgage 01:26:50.470 --> 01:26:52.470 property taxes utility bills. 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:55.400 Do regardless of rental income. And like you've heard today 01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:58.777 we're hearing from a lot of owners that they're thinking of 01:26:59.845 --> 01:27:01.379 selling or not Investing in rental units in the first 01:27:04.950 --> 01:27:07.385 place. And this is troubling from our perspective for at 01:27:08.554 --> 01:27:11.322 least two reasons. The first that small landlords typically 01:27:11.623 --> 01:27:13.424 provide the naturally affordable rental units. They 01:27:15.692 --> 01:27:17.692 keep their rents moderate. In 01:27:17.896 --> 01:27:19.896 order to keep the units rented. 01:27:20.432 --> 01:27:22.432 Um they are regular people, not 01:27:22.500 --> 01:27:24.500 wealthy investors, and they're 01:27:26.604 --> 01:27:28.170 just trying to, um, store, you know, Invest for education. 01:27:30.607 --> 01:27:32.607 Retirement. What have you. If 01:27:33.177 --> 01:27:36.790 these people are pushed to sell their properties will be 01:27:36.780 --> 01:27:39.549 subjected to market rate redevelopment, and that will 01:27:40.951 --> 01:27:42.951 increase rents and reduce 01:27:43.153 --> 01:27:45.153 affordability in unincorporated 01:27:45.856 --> 01:27:47.856 King County. Secondly in our 01:27:48.580 --> 01:27:49.658 high priced housing market, rental arrangements offer an 01:27:52.950 --> 01:27:54.950 important pathway. Home 01:27:54.797 --> 01:27:56.797 ownership for first time buyers 01:27:57.660 --> 01:27:59.660 or home stability for current 01:27:59.902 --> 01:28:01.436 owners. That rental stream can and does help service the 01:28:04.400 --> 01:28:06.400 mortgage. It can be important. 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:09.800 Um thank you for your attention 01:28:12.214 --> 01:28:14.215 to this. These issues. Yeah. The next name on the list. His 01:28:24.259 --> 01:28:26.259 robin. Thank you. I appreciate 01:28:26.895 --> 01:28:28.895 the opportunity to comment. I 01:28:29.364 --> 01:28:30.998 had a couple thoughts that I wanted to say, but they've kind 01:28:32.667 --> 01:28:34.667 of gone out of my mind as I. 01:28:35.200 --> 01:28:37.200 I'm hearing all these arguments 01:28:37.171 --> 01:28:39.171 on one side and the other but I 01:28:39.473 --> 01:28:42.242 must say, I was stunned with the comment. Obviously the 01:28:43.611 --> 01:28:46.279 attitude of a person representing a large group that 01:28:46.413 --> 01:28:48.413 is, uh, working closely with 01:28:50.883 --> 01:28:52.883 the council. That. Property 01:28:53.620 --> 01:28:55.620 owners have the time and the 01:28:57.223 --> 01:28:59.224 money and what was the comment? The flexibility of being able 01:29:01.961 --> 01:29:04.863 to comment here today? My gosh, What an attitude to have. 01:29:05.465 --> 01:29:07.465 Obviously they think that we 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.370 just lay around and our money grubbing monsters ready to 01:29:11.370 --> 01:29:13.370 throw people out on the 01:29:15.740 --> 01:29:17.740 streets. And if that's the kind 01:29:17.676 --> 01:29:19.676 of underlying attitude and 01:29:19.978 --> 01:29:21.978 frame of reference they have 01:29:22.246 --> 01:29:24.246 relative to small business 01:29:25.584 --> 01:29:27.584 owners, who are providing. 01:29:28.653 --> 01:29:30.653 Really very nice, affordable 01:29:31.220 --> 01:29:33.220 housing, safe housing. For many, 01:29:33.358 --> 01:29:35.358 many people in all phases of 01:29:37.950 --> 01:29:39.950 their lives. Um, that really. 01:29:39.498 --> 01:29:41.498 Shows how it's so easy to be 01:29:42.466 --> 01:29:44.466 unfair to the tenant side. This 01:29:44.769 --> 01:29:47.238 issue is life stories, life stories about the tenants and 01:29:47.238 --> 01:29:49.238 life stories about the property 01:29:51.742 --> 01:29:53.742 owners. And we property owners. 01:29:54.110 --> 01:29:56.110 We have lives, too, and we have 01:29:56.790 --> 01:29:58.790 a lot of us have really worked 01:29:58.415 --> 01:30:00.415 hard in careers. Save money 01:30:01.184 --> 01:30:03.184 planned and gotten a piece of 01:30:03.820 --> 01:30:05.988 property to uses rentals that we have thought about for a long time, and we love doing 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:12.930 it. And we really care about our tennis. We have worked out 01:30:13.296 --> 01:30:16.163 all kinds of special accommodations. Over the years 01:30:16.966 --> 01:30:18.966 my family has we've owned a 01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:22.437 four plex, Tom, Queen and Hill for five decades now, and we 01:30:23.672 --> 01:30:25.540 have seen it all in terms of life stories, and we've been 01:30:27.943 --> 01:30:29.943 able to help these folks. And 01:30:30.612 --> 01:30:33.347 to find an accommodation and we're not responsible for most 01:30:34.810 --> 01:30:36.810 of the reasons that people 01:30:36.384 --> 01:30:38.384 today are not paying their rent 01:30:40.540 --> 01:30:42.921 in, Um in this particular time, and so we think we should be 01:30:43.224 --> 01:30:45.250 afforded some kind of exception by the size of what we are. 01:30:49.196 --> 01:30:51.310 Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Could you please spell your 01:30:53.330 --> 01:30:55.800 last name? Yes, Brummett b as in, boy, are, um isn't Mary e t 01:30:57.471 --> 01:30:59.471 t? Thank you very much. You 01:31:03.910 --> 01:31:05.910 bet. The next name on the list 01:31:15.455 --> 01:31:17.455 is Sally Hassle, Brack. Yeah. 01:31:19.458 --> 01:31:21.458 Mhm. The next name on the list 01:31:29.168 --> 01:31:30.968 is seb. Hi Um, Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Could you 01:31:31.635 --> 01:31:34.406 please Excellent. Thank you. Yeah, You got it. My name is 01:31:34.406 --> 01:31:36.406 Sebastian. Stockpile Spelled s 01:31:39.344 --> 01:31:41.612 t. O. C. K. T y l e and I'm, a staff attorney with the housing 01:31:42.213 --> 01:31:44.513 Justice Project. We provide legal representation to low 01:31:45.490 --> 01:31:47.916 income renters and King County facing eviction and were also 01:31:48.252 --> 01:31:50.987 part of the State House. Stay healthy coalition with over 60, plus members and organizations 01:31:52.355 --> 01:31:53.956 across the county. I'm also a resident of District eight in 01:31:56.527 --> 01:31:58.895 Seattle. Housing justice project fully supports attended 01:31:59.463 --> 01:32:01.463 protections. Package Ordinance 01:32:03.133 --> 01:32:05.968 number 20 Free One co sponsored by council members, Zahilay and 01:32:06.670 --> 01:32:09.171 Kohl-Welles and strongly advise against any amendments and strikers brought forth by 01:32:10.774 --> 01:32:12.943 council member Lambert. As they would weaken the bill and 01:32:12.943 --> 01:32:15.210 undermine the tender protections in favor of 01:32:15.612 --> 01:32:18.312 landlords. While some protections such as a statewide 01:32:19.215 --> 01:32:21.183 moratorium provided some temporary protections for 01:32:22.752 --> 01:32:24.786 renters in the areas in non incorporated King County and 01:32:25.588 --> 01:32:28.124 covered by King County, the moratorium is set to expire and 01:32:28.124 --> 01:32:29.624 then already terrible housing crisis is set to become 01:32:31.860 --> 01:32:34.529 exponentially worse. Without additional ranch of protections, 01:32:34.863 --> 01:32:37.165 Recovery of rental, health and King County will not be 01:32:38.533 --> 01:32:40.533 immediate but ordinance 2021 Oh 01:32:41.136 --> 01:32:42.670 131 provides, um renters with important protections that 01:32:44.271 --> 01:32:46.271 increase the likelihood. 01:32:46.673 --> 01:32:49.376 Renters people. Families will stay housed and not be made 01:32:50.110 --> 01:32:52.347 homeless by eviction. Do not discard people, families and 01:32:52.347 --> 01:32:54.347 renters living paycheck to 01:32:55.416 --> 01:32:57.851 paycheck to paycheck. Instead let's protect the most 01:32:58.586 --> 01:33:01.388 vulnerable folks and renters in King County by implementing 01:33:01.856 --> 01:33:04.525 these renter protections as drafted, actions speak louder 01:33:04.525 --> 01:33:06.525 than words. Please note and 01:33:08.896 --> 01:33:10.896 here and listen. None of the 01:33:10.964 --> 01:33:13.232 statewide legislation prohibits local cities or counties from 01:33:13.232 --> 01:33:15.935 strengthening the existing protections, read the ordinance 01:33:16.435 --> 01:33:19.205 and understand the ordinance that's being proposed. It's not 01:33:19.839 --> 01:33:22.608 duplicative, and even if it was, it would not be more detriments to landlords Further if you're 01:33:23.776 --> 01:33:25.344 a good landlord Tender protections should not scare 01:33:28.470 --> 01:33:30.470 you. If this council wants to 01:33:30.116 --> 01:33:32.116 prioritize landlords losing 01:33:32.818 --> 01:33:35.653 money on some properties, um, for some tendencies over human 01:33:36.622 --> 01:33:38.223 life, people having homes and avoiding worsening the already 01:33:40.125 --> 01:33:42.226 terrible homelessness crisis. That's what avoiding 10 of 01:33:42.227 --> 01:33:44.795 protections like this. You're going to do evictions make 01:33:45.497 --> 01:33:48.332 folks homeless, make families homeless Make Children homeless. 01:33:48.767 --> 01:33:51.136 That's the effective evictions and King County pass surrender 01:33:51.136 --> 01:33:53.337 protections that are not watered down without the 01:33:53.470 --> 01:33:55.641 amendments. Strikers proposed by the name of the council members, Thank you and have a 01:33:55.940 --> 01:33:57.940 good rest of your day. Thank 01:34:00.178 --> 01:34:02.178 you. The next name on the list. 01:34:08.118 --> 01:34:10.321 Just tram. Hi Good afternoon. My name is tram, Tram. Larson 01:34:10.321 --> 01:34:12.655 and I'm the community engagement manager with the 01:34:13.389 --> 01:34:15.658 housing Justice Project. We fully support the tenant 01:34:15.791 --> 01:34:18.328 protections package without the proposed amendments and strikers from council member 01:34:18.328 --> 01:34:20.328 Lambert that would weaken the 01:34:21.698 --> 01:34:23.899 bill. Regulations don't prevent landlords from providing 01:34:24.567 --> 01:34:27.680 housing they prevent them from committing discriminatory and 01:34:27.737 --> 01:34:30.138 predatory practices, which should not be a concern for 01:34:30.905 --> 01:34:33.409 good landlords. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what these 01:34:33.409 --> 01:34:35.409 laws do and what a Shapey 01:34:45.562 --> 01:34:47.736 attorneys are able to do. There also is a fundamental misunderstanding here of how capitalism works, unincorporated King County neighborhoods like Skyway and White Center are some of the 01:34:47.756 --> 01:34:49.989 most diverse in the area. And frankly, in all of Washington 01:34:50.792 --> 01:34:53.561 state, Seattle has become increasingly unaffordable and 01:34:54.362 --> 01:34:57.131 gentrification pushes residents specifically black families 01:34:57.632 --> 01:35:00.235 further and further outside of city limits. It has increased 01:35:01.350 --> 01:35:03.904 the risk of continued housing instability since they're not protected by Seattle or beery 01:35:05.740 --> 01:35:07.407 in stronger renter protections. While they balance 01:35:08.900 --> 01:35:09.476 affordability they are doing so at the cost of actual 01:35:11.645 --> 01:35:14.481 stability. Landlords aren't creating diverse city and 01:35:15.216 --> 01:35:17.549 communities. They do the very opposite actually, as 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:20.319 individuals by up multiple 01:35:20.454 --> 01:35:22.454 properties and rent them out 01:35:22.522 --> 01:35:24.958 skyrocketing the housing market due to lack of supply and 01:35:24.958 --> 01:35:26.958 making ownership unaffordable 01:35:27.626 --> 01:35:29.728 for many communities of color. The very act of buying and 01:35:30.697 --> 01:35:33.499 owning more than a single home is a privilege and active 01:35:34.300 --> 01:35:36.335 decision that one makes with costs and benefits as a 01:35:36.869 --> 01:35:39.604 homeowner myself. It would be wildly irresponsible of me to 01:35:39.772 --> 01:35:41.373 rely on paying my mortgage and property tax through somebody 01:35:44.100 --> 01:35:46.943 else. If you cannot follow the laws or simply aren't inclined 01:35:46.979 --> 01:35:49.881 to learn you should reconsider being a landlord. People would 01:35:50.490 --> 01:35:52.950 not be homeless without landlords who hoard homes that 01:35:53.285 --> 01:35:54.886 they themselves do not need. It returns the supply back to the 01:35:57.689 --> 01:35:59.657 community. Incorporated King County's eviction rates have 01:35:59.891 --> 01:36:02.793 more than tripled since the moratorium. Just right behind 01:36:03.860 --> 01:36:06.163 Seattle, meaning more residents have been losing their home 01:36:07.630 --> 01:36:08.966 during a global pandemic that has taken the lives of over 01:36:09.334 --> 01:36:11.900 half a million people in this country, the vast majority 01:36:12.436 --> 01:36:15.138 being black, indigenous and other people call it unless 01:36:15.172 --> 01:36:17.707 this council wants to continue the rate of racist displacement. This tenant 01:36:18.876 --> 01:36:21.244 protection package. Needs to happen immediately. Thank you. 01:36:25.215 --> 01:36:27.215 Thank you. The next name on the 01:36:31.688 --> 01:36:34.422 list is balanced. Solomon. Hi. My name is balanced. Solomon 01:36:37.627 --> 01:36:39.161 Spelled b a l l e and Solomon s o. L. O. M. O s and I'm a 01:36:40.930 --> 01:36:42.998 resident of King County. An attorney who works directly 01:36:43.266 --> 01:36:45.266 with low income tenants facing 01:36:45.735 --> 01:36:48.537 eviction on a daily basis. Rental protections are now more important than ever, 01:36:49.538 --> 01:36:51.306 specifically, is urgent that we passed permanent protections 01:36:51.607 --> 01:36:54.210 for renters, including a strong Jess cause law, capping moving 01:36:54.210 --> 01:36:55.777 fees and late fees and requiring longer notice for 01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.248 significant rent increases. Protections can and will 01:37:00.616 --> 01:37:03.317 prevent many residents from experiencing homelessness or 01:37:03.586 --> 01:37:05.618 housing instability, both immediately after the moratorium and for well into 01:37:07.722 --> 01:37:10.570 the future. The need for these protections as shown by the 01:37:10.759 --> 01:37:13.560 data from the APRIL 2021 Post survey specifically, and that 01:37:13.828 --> 01:37:16.631 survey. It was estimated at over 200,000 households in 01:37:16.631 --> 01:37:19.266 Washington are still behind on red with nearly one third of those residents residing in 01:37:21.337 --> 01:37:23.603 King County alone. Over the past few years, unincorporated 01:37:24.380 --> 01:37:25.937 King County has had the highest number of no cause evictions. 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:29.442 Violence despite only making up less than 7% of all total 01:37:29.877 --> 01:37:32.678 eviction filings, as many of you on this call, MAY no 12 36 01:37:33.146 --> 01:37:35.648 did create a statewide just cause eviction ordinance. 01:37:35.781 --> 01:37:37.917 However, 12 36 did not completely closed the fixed 01:37:38.217 --> 01:37:39.718 term loophole, which is why stronger local protects 01:37:41.288 --> 01:37:43.522 protections are necessary. Importantly represented Nicole 01:37:44.891 --> 01:37:47.327 Makary, sponsor of hb 12 36 has stated that it was not the 01:37:47.327 --> 01:37:49.460 intention of that bill to prevent local jurisdictions 01:37:49.461 --> 01:37:51.630 from passing stronger protection, which is exactly what the council is trying to 01:37:54.333 --> 01:37:56.668 do here. Unsurprisingly evictions are leading cause of 01:37:56.870 --> 01:37:59.204 homelessness and create further instability for adults, 01:38:00.105 --> 01:38:02.105 Children and families. In fact, 01:38:02.207 --> 01:38:04.475 only 12 only 12.5% of the victory, respondents found new housing immediately after being 01:38:06.110 --> 01:38:08.110 evicted. While the remaining 01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:10.800 87.5% experience said housing 01:38:11.140 --> 01:38:13.851 instability and homelessness. In addition to all these reasons to support the 01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:16.153 additional right to protections, evictions are racial justice 01:38:16.420 --> 01:38:18.789 issue, although black individuals make up less than 01:38:19.524 --> 01:38:21.910 7% of the county's population, they represent approximately 01:38:22.226 --> 01:38:23.760 25% of the un housed and 34.34% of eviction cases that are 01:38:26.631 --> 01:38:28.431 filed. Safe and stable housing is one of the necessary 01:38:29.233 --> 01:38:31.501 necessities to a prosperous and healthy life and without 01:38:31.769 --> 01:38:34.304 housing, stability, everything and everything else in life can 01:38:34.304 --> 01:38:36.906 and does become increasingly difficult for that reason and 01:38:36.907 --> 01:38:39.174 those mentioned above. I strongly support this package of renter protections and ask 01:38:39.174 --> 01:38:41.174 you to pass it urgently without 01:38:42.112 --> 01:38:44.947 looking at it. Low income communities and communities of colors have been 01:38:45.282 --> 01:38:47.951 disproportionately impacted by eviction prior to the pandemic 01:38:47.951 --> 01:38:50.252 during the pandemic, and will face the greatest risk of 01:38:50.252 --> 01:38:52.956 eviction once the moratorium expires. Renters need and 01:38:52.956 --> 01:38:55.900 deserve stronger protections, both during recovery from the pandemic and well into the 01:38:58.394 --> 01:38:59.961 future. Thank you. Thank you. The next name on the list is 01:39:14.174 --> 01:39:16.174 Vinita Longley. Oh, Yeah. The 01:39:21.415 --> 01:39:24.151 next name is will host burn. Hi. My name is will toast burnt. 01:39:24.451 --> 01:39:27.421 Thank you for the time to comment, and I'm speaking today 01:39:28.623 --> 01:39:31.250 on behalf of solid ground, um and specifically our tenant 01:39:31.250 --> 01:39:32.659 services program who ran it takes statewide Tenant services 01:39:35.162 --> 01:39:37.295 hotline. Webinars to provide information to tenants on that, 01:39:38.432 --> 01:39:41.167 right? They can't hear to speak today because they are putting 01:39:41.602 --> 01:39:43.169 on a webinar for tenants preparing to the end of the 01:39:45.506 --> 01:39:47.807 picture more time. Um, first, I just wanted to say thank you. 01:39:48.740 --> 01:39:50.409 Counselors highlight for clarifying my first stepped on 01:39:50.409 --> 01:39:52.845 the call. I thought we were talking about a different piece 01:39:53.947 --> 01:39:56.249 of legislation is comments. I heard we're not at all about 01:39:56.249 --> 01:39:58.917 what I thought were talking about. So I'm speaking in support of the package of 01:40:01.821 --> 01:40:03.555 tenant protections. Um 131 being proposed by council 01:40:05.524 --> 01:40:08.291 members. Ah, hello. Kohl-Welles enough to Grove. This package 01:40:08.627 --> 01:40:11.328 of common sense regulations provide some amount of balance 01:40:11.964 --> 01:40:14.365 back to the inbounds between landlords and tenants will not force landlords, three big 01:40:17.200 --> 01:40:18.968 tenants. Protect tenants who have found themselves and 01:40:19.204 --> 01:40:21.839 housing situations where that rights are not protected. Our 01:40:22.541 --> 01:40:25.376 tenant counselors take calls every day from tenants across 01:40:26.209 --> 01:40:28.680 the county whose rights and lives are being put at risk. 01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:30.247 Um, because they're not significant protections for 01:40:31.883 --> 01:40:34.385 renters in this county. We can say with clarity and certainty 01:40:34.385 --> 01:40:36.888 that we are not going to be able to rely on the moral 01:40:37.221 --> 01:40:40.240 morality and magnanimity of landlords protection. It's 01:40:40.240 --> 01:40:41.626 trying to make stand maintain stable housing for themselves 01:40:43.394 --> 01:40:46.162 and their families. Good landlords. This package of 01:40:46.864 --> 01:40:48.464 legislation will not have any effect on the way they operate 01:40:50.834 --> 01:40:53.167 their businesses. It will have a huge effect, and I'm doing 01:40:53.368 --> 01:40:56.338 racial inequity that is inherent and hugely harmful to King County communities of 01:40:56.973 --> 01:40:59.442 color and our housing and rental markets. Firstly it is 01:40:59.442 --> 01:41:01.442 targeted protecting your knees 01:41:02.145 --> 01:41:04.146 and incorporated King County. These are disproportionately 01:41:04.480 --> 01:41:07.247 made up of communities of color, and they do not have protections afforded that 01:41:07.517 --> 01:41:10.418 afforded to them by municipal governments, many of which have 01:41:11.253 --> 01:41:13.321 or in the process of passing simple legislation similar to the legislation being 01:41:15.958 --> 01:41:17.958 considered today. While only 6% 01:41:18.160 --> 01:41:20.995 60.8% of all evictions or cloud and unincorporated county, a 01:41:21.163 --> 01:41:23.664 part of the county made up 20% of all no cause evictions 01:41:24.433 --> 01:41:26.801 coming wide. It is up to the county Council to protect these 01:41:26.802 --> 01:41:28.335 communities do not have the local musical governments 01:41:31.873 --> 01:41:34.274 protect them. This is this is a serious, serious issue that 01:41:34.976 --> 01:41:37.944 these are reasonable, Um, legislation to address it. Thank you very much for your 01:41:41.517 --> 01:41:43.517 consideration. Thank you. 01:41:43.918 --> 01:41:45.484 Sherry. Can you go back to the need along we please start. 01:41:48.622 --> 01:41:50.622 Right. Thank you. Go ahead. 01:41:52.925 --> 01:41:54.925 Benita, Can you hear me? Yes. 01:41:55.495 --> 01:41:58.297 Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um I'm a my name is Benita Lonely v e n 01:42:00.734 --> 01:42:02.734 I t a long li l o n g l e y. 01:42:04.603 --> 01:42:07.404 I'm a property manager in, um. West Seattle, although a lot of 01:42:08.741 --> 01:42:10.741 my properties are in, um, 01:42:11.377 --> 01:42:13.444 outside city of Seattle, and, um I just want to call and say 01:42:17.418 --> 01:42:19.418 that I am opposed to The. A 01:42:20.190 --> 01:42:22.921 bill 01 31. I do understand, just causing an and support 01:42:24.623 --> 01:42:27.458 that I am the property manager that it was a lot of people a 01:42:27.793 --> 01:42:30.761 second chance at life. I've worked with solid ground chief sales housing the Catholic 01:42:33.398 --> 01:42:35.398 community services. I'm a large 01:42:36.968 --> 01:42:38.968 majority of my tenants are. 01:42:39.337 --> 01:42:42.390 People of color that are low income that have gone through 01:42:42.806 --> 01:42:44.806 evictions that are struggling 01:42:45.410 --> 01:42:47.511 to stay afloat and several of my landlords are the people 01:42:48.145 --> 01:42:50.145 that are offering rents as the 01:42:51.481 --> 01:42:53.481 first step out of homelessness. 01:42:53.751 --> 01:42:55.684 Unfortunately with some of the restrictions that are coming in 01:42:57.210 --> 01:42:58.588 place, um it's gonna wipe out that level of market. These 01:43:01.323 --> 01:43:04.127 people can't. Afford to take the risk. It's already a huge 01:43:04.127 --> 01:43:06.695 risk. And when you tie our hands of not being able to use 01:43:07.563 --> 01:43:09.563 Social Security numbers to do 01:43:09.733 --> 01:43:12.134 credit card or to do credit checks or take away our rights 01:43:15.371 --> 01:43:18.273 to, um. Except rent. If there is in the Vicks or Ah, 01:43:18.374 --> 01:43:20.374 violations standing that we 01:43:20.810 --> 01:43:23.678 need to take action on that creates a problem to where we 01:43:24.113 --> 01:43:25.747 can no longer try to offer opportunity to those who are in 01:43:28.751 --> 01:43:31.850 need. Um, for the doctor that says, you know, his people 01:43:31.887 --> 01:43:34.589 can't afford medical. Well I asked the doctors giving away 01:43:35.522 --> 01:43:37.123 free medical. Are they taking money out of their pockets to 01:43:39.261 --> 01:43:42.229 give free medical. To these people as landlords are taking 01:43:42.498 --> 01:43:44.832 money out of their pockets to offer free housing or 01:43:46.340 --> 01:43:48.235 discounted housing. Several of my landlords are offering rents 01:43:52.673 --> 01:43:55.508 that are. 34 $500 below market because they believe in helping 01:43:56.377 --> 01:43:58.379 the housing program and it's not going to last if they have 01:43:58.379 --> 01:44:00.613 to face some of these changes. Thank you for listening. Thank 01:44:04.151 --> 01:44:06.151 you. The next name on the list 01:44:10.924 --> 01:44:12.924 is Ashley. Government. Work in 01:44:22.335 --> 01:44:24.335 this man. The next name on the 01:44:38.650 --> 01:44:41.285 list is Chelsea and Mandel. The next name on the list is hung. 01:44:58.469 --> 01:45:00.469 Saddam a. The next name on the 01:45:05.976 --> 01:45:07.976 list is. Phone number ending in 01:45:22.592 --> 01:45:24.592 045. Phone number ending in 01:45:29.699 --> 01:45:31.699 151. I think you just asked me 01:45:32.768 --> 01:45:34.768 to a new, Okay. Um, Calif own 01:45:35.171 --> 01:45:36.671 number ending in 045? Yes. Would you like to make a 01:45:42.644 --> 01:45:44.644 testimony? Um. Specifically 01:45:46.748 --> 01:45:48.748 what Iraq requested of the. 01:45:51.586 --> 01:45:53.586 Work in an email. Was an 01:45:54.154 --> 01:45:56.154 opportunity if necessary as an 01:45:57.225 --> 01:45:59.493 88 reasonable, a combination any to provide my comments 01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:07.199 Vif}t. Email. Um. In large 01:46:08.569 --> 01:46:10.770 part because you can hear. The amount of difficulty I'm having 01:46:13.673 --> 01:46:16.309 just communicating this. And my ability to, um speak, Um 01:46:20.447 --> 01:46:22.447 Jeralee. Is limited enough that 01:46:24.170 --> 01:46:26.951 I don't want to take your time. I am concerned. I don't know 01:46:27.620 --> 01:46:29.954 how long this hearing as last, and I am concerned that my 01:46:33.126 --> 01:46:35.126 email might not. Get to you 01:46:35.528 --> 01:46:38.330 timely. However, it's appropriate for me to respond 01:46:39.298 --> 01:46:41.298 by email rather than orally. 01:46:43.836 --> 01:46:45.403 Can we do that? And would you say your name one more time, 01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:52.800 please. Jay Winter w I m p. E. 01:46:52.544 --> 01:46:54.544 R. And does your email. Have 01:46:56.982 --> 01:46:59.883 your name in it? Yes, yes. Okay? And I identify sense. 01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:03.920 Email to the clerk. And I'm 01:47:06.257 --> 01:47:08.257 preparing a copy of it. To one 01:47:08.791 --> 01:47:10.961 of the council members. Um but I haven't finished that just to 01:47:10.961 --> 01:47:12.961 say that I did request that, 01:47:13.497 --> 01:47:16.266 but I hadn't finished that. We will try to find your email 01:47:16.533 --> 01:47:18.568 before the end of the meeting. But if we don't for any reason 01:47:19.436 --> 01:47:21.871 we're not voting today, and so please send it no matter what, 01:47:21.871 --> 01:47:23.406 and we'll make sure to get it to all the council members 01:47:26.143 --> 01:47:28.143 prior to a vote. Oh, Thank you. 01:47:30.447 --> 01:47:32.447 And when are you voting? At 01:47:32.649 --> 01:47:34.649 this point, the earliest would 01:47:37.120 --> 01:47:39.422 be next week next Tuesday. Thank you very much. That helps. 01:47:39.422 --> 01:47:41.422 I will do my best to get it, Do 01:47:45.127 --> 01:47:47.862 you? By the end of tomorrow. If I can do it today, great, but 01:47:48.130 --> 01:47:50.130 realistically the end of 01:47:50.966 --> 01:47:52.767 tomorrow and I think everyone were what? What they're saying. 01:47:55.170 --> 01:47:57.572 Whatever side they're on. It's informative to me because I just learned about this 01:48:00.342 --> 01:48:01.976 yesterday. All right. Well, thank you so much. We'll look 01:48:08.216 --> 01:48:10.216 for your email. Thank you. 01:48:10.351 --> 01:48:12.152 Thank you. The next name on the list is phone number ending in 01:48:23.163 --> 01:48:24.731 151. Mhm. Yeah. Nick's name on the list, his phone number 01:48:33.505 --> 01:48:35.505 ending in 2 to 2. No. Hello. 01:48:37.978 --> 01:48:39.978 Mhm. My name is Bruce. My name 01:48:42.882 --> 01:48:44.882 is Bruce Becker. You hear me? 01:48:47.620 --> 01:48:49.620 Yes. Please go ahead. Oh, um, I 01:48:49.989 --> 01:48:51.989 I'm very much opposed to the, 01:48:53.224 --> 01:48:55.294 uh, these bills that are restricting the ability of 01:48:55.294 --> 01:48:57.294 landlords to make reasonable 01:49:00.365 --> 01:49:02.365 decisions. The ability to do a 01:49:02.968 --> 01:49:05.870 credit check is very important. And if, for example, I doubt if 01:49:06.371 --> 01:49:07.938 any of the people on the City council would be willing to 01:49:09.706 --> 01:49:12.509 turn over their life savings. To someone without doing some 01:49:12.777 --> 01:49:15.712 kind of reasonable investigation, And that's 01:49:16.140 --> 01:49:17.546 ultimately what, uh, what landlords are doing on a 01:49:19.817 --> 01:49:22.118 routine basis. It's very important to be able to screen 01:49:23.419 --> 01:49:26.189 people and when they have a problem tenant who MAY be 01:49:26.557 --> 01:49:28.491 threatening, for example, to other other other tenants or 01:49:31.362 --> 01:49:34.300 other neighbors. It's very important to be able to just 01:49:36.698 --> 01:49:38.735 ease them out. But by ending up at the end of the lease term, 01:49:38.735 --> 01:49:40.735 everybody understands that when 01:49:42.238 --> 01:49:44.373 you get a year lease that. It's up for renewal and a reasonable 01:49:48.244 --> 01:49:51.460 time and if there's a reason for telling someone to, uh that you don't want to renew the 01:49:54.450 --> 01:49:56.450 lease. Uh they get they get 01:49:56.685 --> 01:49:59.188 some morning and then they move on, and they have great flexibility because then they 01:50:01.290 --> 01:50:04.920 can go to another place. And this is this kind of management 01:50:04.526 --> 01:50:06.526 is critically important to the 01:50:06.695 --> 01:50:09.462 economical provisions economically providing housing 01:50:11.366 --> 01:50:14.201 and these restrictions that are put on on the ability to do that, actually. Ultimately 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:20.720 drive up. Costs and they drive 01:50:21.209 --> 01:50:23.209 up rents as a result. Um uh and 01:50:24.112 --> 01:50:26.646 as other landlords around around the region, I'm 01:50:29.500 --> 01:50:31.160 constantly being, uh. Being solicited to sell my little 01:50:35.421 --> 01:50:38.157 rental house. And it once it's once I so I'm the last owner of 01:50:38.692 --> 01:50:40.692 that house. When, when it when 01:50:43.290 --> 01:50:45.290 I saw it. It's going to be torn 01:50:46.266 --> 01:50:48.670 down and a bigger house is going to be put in and it will 01:50:49.602 --> 01:50:52.471 never be hard. But again, that's all over the all over 01:50:52.672 --> 01:50:54.273 the county. Right now, there's other landlords that I've told 01:50:57.110 --> 01:50:59.110 you. So um, Is there anything 01:50:59.412 --> 01:51:01.680 any question that you have? It sounds like you need a name to go with my call. Is that right? 01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:07.840 Yeah. Yes, please. My name is 01:51:08.487 --> 01:51:10.487 Bruce Becker. The last name is 01:51:12.925 --> 01:51:14.457 the e k. E. R. Thank you, sir. Yeah. Thank you very much. 01:51:19.264 --> 01:51:21.264 Welcome. The next number on the 01:51:29.807 --> 01:51:31.807 list ends in 506. Oh, Hi. I'm 01:51:33.344 --> 01:51:35.646 James Satterberg j a m. E s s a t t e r b e r g and I'm, a 01:51:35.646 --> 01:51:37.646 staff Attorney for Housing 01:51:38.716 --> 01:51:41.517 Justice Project. I asked this council the past proposed 01:51:43.860 --> 01:51:45.888 ordinance, 2021 013 want Rebecca protects vulnerable renters throughout 01:51:46.655 --> 01:51:48.724 unincorporated King County and to reject proposed amendments 01:51:48.725 --> 01:51:51.260 that seek to preserve the imbalance of power that currently exists between 01:51:53.229 --> 01:51:55.597 renters and landlords. Someone who directly represents tenants 01:51:55.897 --> 01:51:57.900 throughout King County. One of the worst parts of my job is 01:51:58.101 --> 01:52:00.902 having to tell people in dire situations if they live just a 01:52:01.671 --> 01:52:04.439 mile or two away and the city like Seattle, Federal way or 01:52:04.907 --> 01:52:07.610 Auburn, it would not be facing addiction, but because their 01:52:07.610 --> 01:52:09.911 address falls outside the artificial boundaries, they 01:52:10.211 --> 01:52:11.811 have few options. Unfortunately this is a conversation I have 01:52:14.316 --> 01:52:16.250 of clients regularly. In 2019 tenants living in 01:52:16.485 --> 01:52:18.485 unincorporated King County were 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:20.989 significantly more likely to be evicted without cause that 01:52:20.989 --> 01:52:23.958 tenants living in incorporated cities any addictions destabilizing and can have 01:52:25.660 --> 01:52:28.429 devastating consequences. That said no cause evictions are 01:52:29.197 --> 01:52:31.431 particularly unfair and a country where most people 01:52:32.233 --> 01:52:34.901 cannot afford to pay a $500 surprise bill demanding that renters pay thousands, an 01:52:36.571 --> 01:52:39.339 unexpected moving costs. Merely because their landlord won't 01:52:39.742 --> 01:52:42.476 renew their lease is demanding the impossible and the tenant 01:52:42.476 --> 01:52:44.444 lacks time or resources to move quickly. They're huge for 01:52:44.610 --> 01:52:47.146 unlawful detainer, which no matter the outcome, believes it 01:52:47.748 --> 01:52:49.982 was an eviction record, all of them around and disadvantages 01:52:50.784 --> 01:52:53.251 them and brutally expensive and under supplied rental market far more perspective runners 01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:57.489 and available homes. That's why so many evicted tenants become 01:52:58.258 --> 01:53:00.527 homeless. I also urge this council to reject amendments 01:53:00.527 --> 01:53:02.996 that would undercut the purpose of this bill, especially amendment that would add 01:53:02.996 --> 01:53:04.996 landlords as a recipient of 01:53:05.698 --> 01:53:08.500 public defense services. This policy would take public money 01:53:08.868 --> 01:53:10.669 and give it to people who are wealthy enough to own multiple 01:53:11.270 --> 01:53:13.770 homes in one of the most expensive counties in America 01:53:14.340 --> 01:53:16.541 and incentivize from the drive low and middle income renters out of their homes and into 01:53:18.510 --> 01:53:20.578 homelessness. It's difficult to imagine a more total 01:53:20.979 --> 01:53:23.681 productive, irresponsible or immoral use of taxpayer dollars 01:53:23.715 --> 01:53:25.816 under the current law, King County renter who has done 01:53:26.351 --> 01:53:28.285 absolutely nothing wrong, can have their whole life ruined 01:53:28.420 --> 01:53:30.955 solely because of their landlord decision. This is a 01:53:31.122 --> 01:53:33.457 profound imbalance of power, and that is what the proposed or this could get Everybody. 01:53:38.830 --> 01:53:40.830 Thank you. Thank you. The next 01:53:42.932 --> 01:53:44.932 phone number on the list ends 01:53:55.579 --> 01:53:58.140 in 542. Hello. Hello please. State your you Hi. Can you hear 01:54:01.218 --> 01:54:03.218 me? Yes. Emily Luke. Emily is e 01:54:06.556 --> 01:54:08.556 m I l y and Louis is l u k e. 01:54:09.659 --> 01:54:11.660 I've been a landlord. Yeah, sure. I'm gonna clamoring for 01:54:13.196 --> 01:54:15.964 about 15 years. I have one property. A condo I purchased. 01:54:16.632 --> 01:54:19.300 Um when I was much younger, and then I have been working out 01:54:20.302 --> 01:54:22.838 ever since I oppose the bill, Like many people have said so 01:54:22.838 --> 01:54:24.838 much of what I feel and what my 01:54:26.308 --> 01:54:29.209 husband feels about. Is where things are going in Seattle, Lincoln County has already been 01:54:30.746 --> 01:54:33.446 shared, but, um, I think there definitely is a myth that 01:54:34.816 --> 01:54:37.551 landlords are rich people and are rolling in the dough and 01:54:37.652 --> 01:54:39.652 are the people that should help 01:54:41.589 --> 01:54:44.491 care all these societal ilk? And for us, I mean, I'll tell 01:54:44.759 --> 01:54:46.759 you we have a great rental 01:54:46.894 --> 01:54:49.196 property, but we've with made very little money on it. Um 01:54:50.531 --> 01:54:52.164 just given the set up of our condo building and all the work 01:54:54.167 --> 01:54:56.167 that it takes to maintain. The 01:54:56.369 --> 01:54:59.238 unit. Someone said previously that what you're really hoping is that it's going to go up in 01:54:59.540 --> 01:55:02.341 value and we take the risk and we take on that, Um, that 01:55:02.408 --> 01:55:03.910 leverage to hope to make some money off a real estate 01:55:06.613 --> 01:55:08.814 investment someday. And that hasn't really happened after 15 01:55:10.417 --> 01:55:12.417 years, so we're not rich by any 01:55:12.684 --> 01:55:14.987 Miami standpoint, Um, there was a neighbor. I have who you 01:55:15.822 --> 01:55:18.224 know, I think on the same vein, she she rent out her house here 01:55:18.224 --> 01:55:20.224 in our neighborhood where we 01:55:20.893 --> 01:55:23.610 live over an Issaquah. And her only income is the rental 01:55:23.561 --> 01:55:25.162 income from the house. Her husband has passed away long 01:55:25.831 --> 01:55:28.660 ago. Her kids have moved out of the area, and that's her 01:55:28.133 --> 01:55:29.766 income. And so she runs that house to someone who default on 01:55:32.271 --> 01:55:35.140 that rent. She's 70 years old and has no income and so people 01:55:35.140 --> 01:55:38.410 would have rental properties are not rich people. They are 01:55:38.143 --> 01:55:39.777 just trying to make a living in a creative way and are working 01:55:42.947 --> 01:55:45.116 very hard at it. Um. The only other thing I would say, is 01:55:45.116 --> 01:55:47.116 that all the finger 01:55:47.684 --> 01:55:49.684 heartbreaking, you know, racism 01:55:49.721 --> 01:55:51.721 and the struggle of people of 01:55:51.823 --> 01:55:54.791 color and, um, evictions and homelessness and all that stuff is heartbreaking. I've never 01:55:55.270 --> 01:55:56.593 had to evict anyone. And many people in this call has said 01:55:58.696 --> 01:56:00.230 they've never evicted anyone. And so I don't know where 01:56:01.332 --> 01:56:02.964 that's coming from, But he's a heartbreaking things happen in 01:56:04.680 --> 01:56:06.469 your world, uh, beyond the evictions, the inner societal 01:56:07.171 --> 01:56:10.720 ills that landlords earn in charge of fixing. It's not up 01:56:10.474 --> 01:56:12.475 to us because there's three things and we're not going to 01:56:13.109 --> 01:56:14.710 be able to fix them. So thank you. I oppose the bill. Thank 01:56:15.211 --> 01:56:17.211 you for hearing the comments. 01:56:19.316 --> 01:56:22.150 Thank you. The next phone number on the lowest ends in 01:56:35.130 --> 01:56:37.130 494. Mm. The next number on the 01:56:42.200 --> 01:56:44.104 list ends in 095. I'm sorry. This is, uh, phone number and 01:56:46.875 --> 01:56:48.875 104. Not far. I'm sorry. Yeah 01:56:49.477 --> 01:56:51.612 My name is Daniel Win Last name n g u y e n, um I've been 01:56:54.782 --> 01:56:56.416 listening. To Both sides of the conversation for the last hour, 01:56:59.353 --> 01:57:00.954 Alan, half or so. Right? Um at the holiday. The take away is 01:57:05.392 --> 01:57:07.392 that. Yeah I think by passing 01:57:09.296 --> 01:57:11.296 this bill it creates Uh, An 01:57:13.934 --> 01:57:15.934 atmosphere of. Um, culture for 01:57:16.136 --> 01:57:18.938 the tenant to not to be accountable for the actions 01:57:19.406 --> 01:57:21.874 because as landlord right, we are a camera for actions and 01:57:25.211 --> 01:57:27.211 Our tenants. And I don't 01:57:34.406 --> 01:57:36.115 believe that that this law, uh it's just in terms of looking at it from both sides of the fence. I've been the landlord for the last 10 years. And like 01:57:36.455 --> 01:57:38.455 many of the He could be for me, 01:57:40.226 --> 01:57:42.226 right? We worked. Hard for what 01:57:43.295 --> 01:57:45.295 we have right? We were safe. We 01:57:45.898 --> 01:57:47.965 struggle and we barely make ends meet a lot of property are 01:57:50.268 --> 01:57:52.268 not cash falling. And You know 01:57:54.706 --> 01:57:56.706 what in the. To be able to 01:57:58.109 --> 01:58:00.109 support our community and. You 01:58:02.460 --> 01:58:03.713 know the very tenants that that that that are, um. And 01:58:05.950 --> 01:58:08.552 questions in the conversation. Right and we do have the best 01:58:08.552 --> 01:58:10.552 singer because without them, we 01:58:11.455 --> 01:58:13.455 have no business either. 01:58:17.940 --> 01:58:19.940 Therefore we do not. Take a 01:58:19.630 --> 01:58:22.498 damage of the landlord tenant relationship that we have, and 01:58:23.767 --> 01:58:26.201 I don't know where. Allow the, uh rhetoric or the 01:58:26.403 --> 01:58:28.300 communication are coming from on the other side that are in 01:58:29.506 --> 01:58:31.506 support of this to say that. 01:58:33.142 --> 01:58:35.142 You know, uh, landlord, Uh, 01:58:37.246 --> 01:58:39.246 they're the more benefits. To 01:58:39.782 --> 01:58:41.349 us being landlord and, uh, supporting the tent. I think 01:58:43.853 --> 01:58:45.853 that's a myth. Perception that 01:58:48.857 --> 01:58:51.526 needs to be clear. Um. Council and the passage of this bill 01:58:52.928 --> 01:58:54.928 needs to be better get it and 01:58:55.230 --> 01:58:56.864 better articulated. So that way we're clear in terms of what we 01:58:57.899 --> 01:58:59.899 are looking at. Thank you. 01:59:03.738 --> 01:59:05.738 Thank you. The next name on the 01:59:12.179 --> 01:59:14.179 list his Valerie van Obama. Can 01:59:17.651 --> 01:59:20.119 you hear me? Can hear you. Okay Good afternoon. County Council 01:59:20.753 --> 01:59:22.753 members. My name is Mallory Ban 01:59:24.891 --> 01:59:26.891 Abdullah m a l l o r y v a n a. 01:59:27.461 --> 01:59:29.594 B b m a And I'm here today in my personal capacity as a 01:59:30.263 --> 01:59:32.531 renter in King County to share my strong support for ordinance 01:59:35.433 --> 01:59:38.103 21-0131. We've heard some compelling stories from people 01:59:38.270 --> 01:59:40.939 on both sides of this issue today, and I just like to offer 01:59:41.473 --> 01:59:43.473 my now for your consideration 01:59:43.508 --> 01:59:46.244 in late 2019. My family was grateful to secure a rental 01:59:46.612 --> 01:59:48.246 home renting just below market rate from a perceived mom and 01:59:51.183 --> 01:59:53.418 pop landlord. Poor condition of the rental home became more 01:59:53.719 --> 01:59:55.920 apparent as our family began to settle into the home and 01:59:56.755 --> 01:59:59.657 established strong roots in our new community interaction with 01:59:59.691 --> 02:00:02.294 are extremely hands off, landlords became increasingly 02:00:02.294 --> 02:00:03.928 strained as we reasonably requested the needed repairs to 02:00:06.131 --> 02:00:07.731 our home. To ensure the safety and health of every member of 02:00:10.335 --> 02:00:12.335 our family. After five days 02:00:12.337 --> 02:00:14.371 during a snowstorm of living without heat, do it to a broken 02:00:15.173 --> 02:00:18.800 furnace with no response from our landlords. We shared links 02:00:18.542 --> 02:00:20.108 to their obligations under the state's rl to which finally 02:00:22.613 --> 02:00:24.847 spurred their action. After the snow melted our landlords 02:00:25.215 --> 02:00:27.984 notified us that they would be increasing our rent by 30% in 02:00:28.785 --> 02:00:30.785 the starting in the next 02:00:31.210 --> 02:00:33.388 renting cycle. We perceive this action as purely retaliatory. 02:00:34.910 --> 02:00:36.859 And essentially this function as a forced economic eviction 02:00:37.761 --> 02:00:40.628 for us, So during a pandemic, we were forced to scramble to secure housing that was 02:00:40.730 --> 02:00:42.297 affordable and would allow our Children to stay in the same 02:00:44.265 --> 02:00:46.702 school district. We later discovered that are mom and pop 02:00:46.969 --> 02:00:49.739 landlord had more than seven LLCs with property management 02:00:49.739 --> 02:00:52.506 affiliations registered to their address. So while I 02:00:52.875 --> 02:00:55.143 recognize that my story is anecdotal, my family is 02:00:55.910 --> 02:00:58.780 undoubtedly like many others in this county who have navigated 02:00:59.146 --> 02:01:00.681 housing instability and we've been also very, incredibly 02:01:02.417 --> 02:01:05.385 fortunate to adapt. The pandemic restrictions through 02:01:05.954 --> 02:01:08.756 remote work, which many others have not been able to do. So 02:01:09.257 --> 02:01:11.191 I'm urging you to pass this tenant protections package 02:01:11.393 --> 02:01:12.960 without additional amendments today or when you put on it 02:01:14.696 --> 02:01:17.429 next week that would. No additional amendments that would negatively impact 02:01:17.799 --> 02:01:19.799 renters. Thank you so much. 02:01:23.771 --> 02:01:25.771 Thank you. The next name on the 02:01:38.850 --> 02:01:40.850 list is why z. Okay The next 02:01:40.887 --> 02:01:42.887 step phone number on the list 02:01:52.899 --> 02:01:54.899 is 308. I mean, I'm gonna block. 02:02:05.310 --> 02:02:07.310 The next number is 319. And the 02:02:18.923 --> 02:02:21.758 last number is 8 to 7. Okay, Um. It looks like we've reached the 02:02:22.126 --> 02:02:24.126 end of the list, But judging 02:02:24.861 --> 02:02:26.763 from people coming in and out, I'm going to guess there might 02:02:37.915 --> 02:02:40.443 be a handful we missed. So at this point, MADAM Clerk, can I ask Could you please? Uh offered to unused all of the lines at once, and then I'm going to ask for people to 02:02:43.313 --> 02:02:45.448 speak up if they. Missed and didn't get a chance to give 02:02:45.482 --> 02:02:47.490 their comments. Please go ahead, MADAM Clerk. I'll do 02:02:53.122 --> 02:02:56.580 that now. Okay If you have been waiting, I see somebody being, 02:02:57.293 --> 02:02:58.894 uh, by the name of Jerry and I heard someone else who they'll 02:03:02.932 --> 02:03:04.932 speaking Yes. Oh, yes. Can you 02:03:05.900 --> 02:03:07.900 say your name, please, sir? 02:03:09.605 --> 02:03:12.373 Yes, Ernie Richardson. Okay, I got Ernie and Jerry. Anyone 02:03:16.378 --> 02:03:17.977 else? Uh Bill Bill, I heard one other person. Sorry sir. Your 02:03:21.282 --> 02:03:23.282 name, Douglas. Douglas. Anyone 02:03:28.356 --> 02:03:30.356 else? Okay, we'll take these in 02:03:31.626 --> 02:03:33.626 the order that I identified you. 02:03:34.128 --> 02:03:36.896 Starting with Jerry. Are you immune? Ma'am Yes. Please go 02:03:37.665 --> 02:03:39.665 ahead. It's Sylvia Sh 02:03:39.800 --> 02:03:42.690 Weinberger actually. Okay, Please, just say and spell your name. For the record. It 02:03:42.690 --> 02:03:43.636 doesn't matter what it says on the screen. I apologize for 02:03:44.872 --> 02:03:46.872 getting the name wrong. Oh, 02:03:47.700 --> 02:03:49.608 should I spell it now or please go ahead? Yes. Okay. It's 02:03:51.912 --> 02:03:53.912 Sylvia with s y l v a. 02:03:55.781 --> 02:03:57.416 Weinberger s c h w e I n b e r g r. Okay, Thank you. Please go 02:04:00.887 --> 02:04:03.880 ahead. Okay? And I'm a small landlord in Seattle. Um I feel 02:04:06.192 --> 02:04:08.593 I'm a fair landlord. And I have many tenants can lived in my 02:04:09.695 --> 02:04:11.294 rentals For many years, I feel we provide affordable housing 02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:14.640 and treatment. It's fairly I 02:04:17.436 --> 02:04:20.304 already um. Obey Seattle's just cause ordinances. And I'm 02:04:21.390 --> 02:04:23.874 speaking against this proposed legislation. I think my ability 02:04:24.309 --> 02:04:25.910 to do credit checks as part of an application process should 02:04:30.882 --> 02:04:33.850 be allowed. Um. Credit checks can help landlord and a tenant 02:04:34.118 --> 02:04:36.486 know if the apartment they're playing for us within their 02:04:36.921 --> 02:04:38.555 budget, and this can ultimately prevent tenants from getting in 02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:42.692 financial trouble. It can occur if the place is more expensive 02:04:45.940 --> 02:04:47.940 than they can afford. And I 02:04:47.665 --> 02:04:50.166 have specific example where, As a small landlord, you know, I work with people and I accepted 02:04:54.171 --> 02:04:56.373 someone. Um, who was borderline and I knew they were borderline. 02:04:56.373 --> 02:04:57.972 I talked to them about it, and they ended up being unable to 02:05:01.845 --> 02:05:03.845 pay. And then. Kind of didn't 02:05:05.248 --> 02:05:07.916 want to work with me and. We ended up having an evict having 02:05:08.751 --> 02:05:11.186 to evict the person and it was bad for both of us because they 02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:13.654 had an eviction and I lost seven months rent plus legal 02:05:15.391 --> 02:05:17.391 fees and so. We could have 02:05:19.610 --> 02:05:21.896 averted that whole thing. If. He would have accepted that. 02:05:21.896 --> 02:05:23.896 You know you should. It was too 02:05:24.131 --> 02:05:26.131 expensive for him, but, um And 02:05:27.903 --> 02:05:29.903 I also am. You know, I want you 02:05:31.206 --> 02:05:33.773 to take with a grain of salt. Vitriolic rhetoric against 02:05:35.900 --> 02:05:37.711 landlords because it's a business and we want renters 02:05:38.612 --> 02:05:40.613 and we have a relationship with ventures and we are housing 02:05:40.613 --> 02:05:42.613 providers we wanted. We're 02:05:45.652 --> 02:05:47.320 doing something. Good I feel like I help a lot of people and 02:05:49.490 --> 02:05:51.490 I like my renters. And I'm not 02:05:52.426 --> 02:05:54.426 against renters, you know? Um 02:05:59.266 --> 02:06:01.266 So. Not every landlord is 02:06:01.568 --> 02:06:04.303 horrible person that's not keeping up their properties. You know, I try to keep my 02:06:05.338 --> 02:06:07.338 properties up by I am response 02:06:12.945 --> 02:06:15.460 of Um So. Anyway I just think it's fair that I should be able 02:06:17.160 --> 02:06:19.160 to, um If a person can afford 02:06:20.619 --> 02:06:22.619 the place. When I am in an 02:06:28.660 --> 02:06:31.596 application process. Um. And that's all. Thank you. Thank 02:06:32.497 --> 02:06:34.565 you very much. And thank you for hanging in the whole time. 02:06:34.699 --> 02:06:36.699 Okay? Alright The next person 02:06:38.436 --> 02:06:40.436 who spoke up was named Ernie. 02:06:40.839 --> 02:06:42.839 Yes I think it's in here. Can 02:06:43.841 --> 02:06:46.430 you understand? Uh please, can you spell your last name? I think he said Richardson, but 02:06:48.513 --> 02:06:50.513 it was a little garbled. Yes 02:06:51.782 --> 02:06:53.782 All right. C h a r d gasoline. 02:06:54.418 --> 02:06:57.120 Thank you. Please go ahead. Yes my wife and I have been and 02:06:57.121 --> 02:06:59.756 thank you for taking my call. Uh my wife and I have been in 02:07:01.959 --> 02:07:03.959 rental property 6 1982. In the 02:07:04.461 --> 02:07:06.461 beginning, little open, renting 02:07:06.728 --> 02:07:09.166 property was the Wild west with one leg one page, which was 02:07:09.166 --> 02:07:11.166 very vehicle, the landlord, 02:07:12.836 --> 02:07:14.836 Canada. And that being said 02:07:15.271 --> 02:07:17.271 over the years, the state and 02:07:17.540 --> 02:07:19.540 the county local government has 02:07:19.709 --> 02:07:21.276 stepped up and, uh into managing and controlling me 02:07:23.244 --> 02:07:25.244 industry. Idea was to it was 02:07:27.283 --> 02:07:29.283 going to benefit. Primarily the 02:07:30.190 --> 02:07:32.190 tent and that never would this 02:07:32.221 --> 02:07:34.857 whole. This whole thing started back in New York when they took 02:07:34.857 --> 02:07:36.857 over the rental housing 02:07:37.590 --> 02:07:39.960 industry, and we know what that bids in California was doing it and neither of these programs 02:07:41.296 --> 02:07:43.296 of work. Now we're inheriting 02:07:44.833 --> 02:07:46.833 the same thing. And I'm not 02:07:47.902 --> 02:07:49.902 sure, Uh, went to hidden agenda 02:07:50.203 --> 02:07:52.205 is on all this control whether he is an attempt to fix the 02:07:52.205 --> 02:07:54.205 homeless problem, which that 02:07:55.176 --> 02:07:56.710 isn't going to work. In that regard by taking over the 02:08:00.446 --> 02:08:02.749 industry. More regulation that happens, it suffocates the 02:08:04.118 --> 02:08:06.452 industry was about him. 80% of the rentals are like ours. Mom 02:08:09.990 --> 02:08:11.990 and pop operation. And, uh, The 02:08:12.250 --> 02:08:14.250 issue at hand here as I 02:08:15.595 --> 02:08:18.310 understand it, yes, Minimizing. Uh the ability to looking at 02:08:18.310 --> 02:08:20.310 the credit check or credit 02:08:22.502 --> 02:08:24.870 history. Credit history just opens up the window into 02:08:26.639 --> 02:08:29.740 somebody's life. It is not the totality of circumstances by 02:08:31.177 --> 02:08:33.177 which at least in our behalf. 02:08:34.280 --> 02:08:36.347 Are the sum total of whether we're going to rent to somebody 02:08:37.490 --> 02:08:39.917 or not. There are many factors that go in the totality of factors, and we went into 02:08:40.919 --> 02:08:42.919 people who have Have 02:08:45.590 --> 02:08:48.158 bankruptcy. And at the end of the day we ran into him and 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:51.600 he's working out. There are 02:08:51.161 --> 02:08:53.530 people that have been on our one of our Reynolds for 30 02:08:53.898 --> 02:08:55.898 years, the most numerous ones 02:08:57.235 --> 02:08:59.235 ahead for three years. Um. That 02:09:00.710 --> 02:09:01.671 me? Yeah that is that is this You breached two minutes. Can 02:09:06.277 --> 02:09:09.212 you wrap up, please? Sure. I don't know what the, uh what 02:09:11.715 --> 02:09:14.116 The agenda is on minimizing to the bandwidth on a landlord or 02:09:16.253 --> 02:09:18.253 somebody to do a credit check. 02:09:19.422 --> 02:09:22.240 On somebody because it's going to be moving them into a home. 02:09:22.993 --> 02:09:25.594 They have them. That's how I have them refer to it is not a 02:09:25.929 --> 02:09:27.929 Reynolds. It is wrong. Okay I 02:09:29.465 --> 02:09:31.465 wanted to have it as well. And 02:09:32.135 --> 02:09:34.135 uh, how we like to look long 02:09:34.837 --> 02:09:37.720 term aerators and thank you very much for your time. Thank 02:09:37.974 --> 02:09:40.942 you, sir. Appreciate your hanging in the this long meeting. The next name I have 02:09:45.447 --> 02:09:48.316 is Bill. Yes My name is still sort of I'm a housing provider 02:09:49.683 --> 02:09:51.918 of single family houses in King County, including 02:09:52.621 --> 02:09:54.221 unincorporated King County. Hey, I read this proposal and 02:09:56.491 --> 02:09:58.491 it does look like. I can 02:09:59.527 --> 02:10:01.760 request but not insist on getting the Social Security 02:10:02.697 --> 02:10:05.980 number. In fact, council member Kohl-Welles confirmed in an email immediately before that, 02:10:07.235 --> 02:10:09.235 that was the case. So if I 02:10:10.304 --> 02:10:12.739 can't demand a social Security number, I don't think I can do 02:10:13.639 --> 02:10:15.440 a credit check. So, yeah, There is a lot of confusion about 02:10:15.676 --> 02:10:18.110 this, and I don't believe anybody has cleared that up. 02:10:19.346 --> 02:10:21.647 Yet It's possible that the committee is attempting to do 02:10:22.449 --> 02:10:24.850 something that they haven't figured out a legal way to do it yet, And if so, perhaps we 02:10:25.385 --> 02:10:27.385 just need to Slow down and 02:10:29.890 --> 02:10:31.956 figure that out. Another thing I don't like about this is it 02:10:32.725 --> 02:10:35.527 says if I understand correctly, what I read that if there's a 02:10:36.995 --> 02:10:39.864 breach of contract of a behavioral type issue, and I 02:10:40.660 --> 02:10:42.660 accept rent payment after that 02:10:43.135 --> 02:10:45.303 occurs, I can't evict for it. So if I understand that 02:10:45.604 --> 02:10:47.805 correctly if somebody moves in, for example, a large, vicious 02:10:48.540 --> 02:10:50.908 dog and I don't find out about it till after they paid the 02:10:51.376 --> 02:10:52.944 next rent, I can't do anything about it. That seems kind of 02:10:55.447 --> 02:10:57.615 weird. And again, I wonder if the committee is trying to do 02:10:58.830 --> 02:11:00.830 something and they just need to 02:11:00.251 --> 02:11:02.587 slow down and figure out how to do what they want to, without 02:11:02.587 --> 02:11:04.587 creating confusion and legal 02:11:06.424 --> 02:11:08.757 issues. I don't like the just cause eviction, but I 02:11:09.930 --> 02:11:11.895 understand that that's done to state level, so perhaps a bit 02:11:13.965 --> 02:11:16.798 moot. I would request that at the county level. It mimic 02:11:16.901 --> 02:11:18.368 exactly the state level, so there's not different 02:11:20.504 --> 02:11:23.140 requirements. That we need to meet. I do fear that changes 02:11:23.140 --> 02:11:25.775 like this will disproportionately affect those 02:11:26.543 --> 02:11:28.543 of lower income and people of 02:11:28.545 --> 02:11:31.810 color. I believe in the single family home area anyway, I'm 02:11:31.810 --> 02:11:32.648 not sure about apartments but as more single family homes 02:11:34.884 --> 02:11:37.850 that are rentals are sold. Probably less than a quarter of 02:11:38.210 --> 02:11:40.220 them will come back as rental so houses will be taken out of 02:11:40.890 --> 02:11:42.691 the market, which means there will be competition. Does the 02:11:42.692 --> 02:11:44.826 committee really think that in that competition the mechanisms 02:11:47.830 --> 02:11:49.830 exist to give those. Of lower 02:11:50.466 --> 02:11:52.901 income and those of color the right to compete effectively. 02:11:55.771 --> 02:11:58.573 I'm not sure that that exists. Thank you. Uh, man, Can I ask you to spell your last name? 02:12:00.342 --> 02:12:02.810 Sir, please, for the record. Yes Pseudomonas spelled s Oh, 02:12:06.181 --> 02:12:08.181 dear o m. A. Okay. Thank you 02:12:08.750 --> 02:12:10.784 very much. And then I had somebody named Douglas waiting 02:12:14.889 --> 02:12:16.889 to speak. Douglas still with 02:12:24.830 --> 02:12:27.700 us. Yeah. Oh, Okay, Uh, MADAM Clerk. I do still see just a 02:12:28.502 --> 02:12:30.770 couple more people's names that I don't know if they had a 02:12:31.205 --> 02:12:33.372 chance to speak. So can we go through that process? Just one more time. I apologize. No, 02:12:34.673 --> 02:12:36.942 everybody's been waiting. I really do want to make sure 02:12:37.777 --> 02:12:40.212 everyone who came and stayed has the opportunity to speak. 02:12:42.415 --> 02:12:44.616 Could you once again asked you on mute? Everyone Absolutely. 02:12:49.288 --> 02:12:51.290 Thank you. And if you're waiting and haven't had a 02:12:51.290 --> 02:12:53.290 chance to speak, please unmute 02:12:53.759 --> 02:12:55.326 yourself. I see Anita Messiah or Messiah. Fire. Sorry if I 02:12:57.628 --> 02:12:59.628 pronounce your name wrong. 02:12:59.998 --> 02:13:02.232 Yeah, I'm Douglas. Matthias Oh, Douglas. There you are. Welcome 02:13:02.468 --> 02:13:04.835 Please, go ahead. I'm nearer while the others were talking. 02:13:05.370 --> 02:13:06.971 And then I couldn't unmute. Uh me. We still haven't mastered 02:13:09.473 --> 02:13:11.473 it. Please go ahead, sir. Okay, 02:13:13.445 --> 02:13:15.445 So, um, my story. I grew up in 02:13:15.847 --> 02:13:17.847 Washington and, um, I worked 20 02:13:19.717 --> 02:13:22.520 years with refugees. Aye. Three seller refugees that came into 02:13:22.352 --> 02:13:25.155 the country and get them started, including in housing, 02:13:26.570 --> 02:13:28.570 and, um, finding jobs and just 02:13:29.930 --> 02:13:31.930 becoming self sufficient and. 02:13:31.595 --> 02:13:33.196 My heart is to help people. Um now I'm overseas. I'm working 02:13:34.565 --> 02:13:36.565 overseas. I'm teaching English. 02:13:39.636 --> 02:13:41.636 I'm not. Not a rich person. My 02:13:42.271 --> 02:13:44.271 mom retired. Um she moved into 02:13:46.242 --> 02:13:47.810 a senior nursing home. About five years ago, and I bought 02:13:52.547 --> 02:13:54.850 the house I grew up in And, um. I'll be 80 years old when 30 02:13:57.520 --> 02:13:59.921 Year mortgage is paid off. But right now I'm teaching English 02:14:00.456 --> 02:14:02.230 overseas which I love doing and I have a tenant living in my 02:14:04.860 --> 02:14:06.860 house. Um. And this new law is 02:14:09.731 --> 02:14:11.731 very scary. You get a bad 02:14:12.334 --> 02:14:14.467 tenant in there? I'm I'm $300 a month short. I'm paying the mortgage now. From what I'm 02:14:16.371 --> 02:14:18.639 getting from the rent. Um, but I'm doing excited. Hope to 02:14:19.706 --> 02:14:21.307 retire there. Move back and retire in the house. I grew up 02:14:23.611 --> 02:14:26.545 my dad built the house. But this this makes a very risky. 02:14:26.681 --> 02:14:29.482 There's something called mutual funds in the stock market. You 02:14:30.510 --> 02:14:32.510 invest in a mutual fund because 02:14:32.119 --> 02:14:33.753 it spreads the risk out under a lot of different funds that you 02:14:35.756 --> 02:14:38.558 just buy one stock. It goes bad You can lose a lot of money if 02:14:38.926 --> 02:14:41.661 you just have one house, You can lose a lot if you have a 02:14:42.529 --> 02:14:45.431 tenant that doesn't pay for whatever reason, and it's nothing against them, But we're 02:14:48.100 --> 02:14:50.102 taking a big risk. So these laws if they're going to be 02:14:50.102 --> 02:14:52.102 implemented, they shouldn't be 02:14:54.306 --> 02:14:56.575 for a single. Single homeowner that's running out a single 02:14:56.941 --> 02:14:58.542 rental property. That's a very high risk put on these people. 02:15:01.280 --> 02:15:02.881 Yeah. Don't know if you buy a car from somewhere and you're 02:15:05.170 --> 02:15:07.384 paying. You know, five years the by a car and then you can't 02:15:08.200 --> 02:15:09.621 make the payments. Can you just keep the car? No, they want it 02:15:12.823 --> 02:15:14.823 back. Not just everything. 02:15:18.130 --> 02:15:20.130 Ridiculous. Thank you. Thank 02:15:22.100 --> 02:15:23.634 you, sir. There anyone else in the line who was unable to 02:15:29.440 --> 02:15:31.440 speak for. Not hearing anybody 02:15:33.678 --> 02:15:35.812 going once going twice. All right, and I want to thank 02:15:36.800 --> 02:15:38.800 everyone for their patience and 02:15:38.482 --> 02:15:40.650 perseverance. I'm going to call I am gonna declare this public 02:15:41.752 --> 02:15:43.752 hearing closed at this time. I 02:15:45.522 --> 02:15:47.757 know I'm here. Can you hear me? Who is this speaking, please? 02:15:48.824 --> 02:15:50.824 What's your name? Yes. Crime. 02:15:52.162 --> 02:15:54.164 Hi This is Lily. I'm Manila and I have two kids. One is 14 02:15:54.164 --> 02:15:56.164 years old and the other one 02:15:56.800 --> 02:15:59.202 that's funny in college. Basically we have been the 02:15:59.202 --> 02:16:01.202 higher mortgage as 12 because 02:16:03.706 --> 02:16:06.140 we. Have to bear for the tenant and she didn't pay us for 02:16:07.243 --> 02:16:09.811 several months or so. We are struggling ourselves, and we 02:16:12.314 --> 02:16:14.314 put out kits address also, and, 02:16:17.786 --> 02:16:20.388 uh and, uh, I heard I listened to the other doctor and you say 02:16:21.657 --> 02:16:23.657 dependent was at the press of 02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:25.726 being homeless. But here I am, Putting my face address for me 02:16:27.629 --> 02:16:29.630 Look as well. Because we be higher whole mortgage we have 02:16:32.980 --> 02:16:34.980 to bear to mortgages. To pay 02:16:34.168 --> 02:16:36.168 for the tenement paintball self 02:16:36.771 --> 02:16:38.771 So let's talk. All and I hope 02:16:40.908 --> 02:16:43.742 it There's a path It just doesn't make sense. That we 02:16:46.947 --> 02:16:49.649 have. To Are we being struggling for our mortgage and we have to bear for someone 02:16:55.989 --> 02:16:57.623 else? So. Um, could I ask you to please state your full name 02:16:59.759 --> 02:17:01.759 and spell it for the record. 02:17:06.132 --> 02:17:08.400 Yeah l I l y. Last name is h o a. N g. Thank you so much. 02:17:11.437 --> 02:17:13.439 Thanks. All right. I guess I moved too quickly. Is there 02:17:13.439 --> 02:17:15.400 anybody else who has been waiting to speaker? It hasn't 02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:22.120 had a chance. Meltdown status. 02:17:27.386 --> 02:17:29.787 Hmm. Alright I am going to now declare the public hearing 02:17:31.123 --> 02:17:33.856 closed again. Thank you, everyone. Since we're not voting today, there is an 02:17:35.126 --> 02:17:37.494 opportunity to share any additional comments. You MAY 02:17:38.229 --> 02:17:40.531 have by email. Please feel free to do that we did. I did get 02:17:40.531 --> 02:17:42.531 the word from the clerk that we 02:17:44.702 --> 02:17:46.970 received. Ah the email from Miss Winters, who asked to be 02:17:47.772 --> 02:17:50.640 able to provide her testimony in writing in the clerks inbox 02:17:50.708 --> 02:17:53.110 and that will be forwarded to all members very shortly. I 02:17:53.110 --> 02:17:55.110 commend it to you to read that 02:17:56.713 --> 02:17:59.115 when we get it. But at this point we will move on in our 02:18:00.215 --> 02:18:02.519 agenda. We have been at this colleague since one o'clock. 02:18:02.519 --> 02:18:04.519 How about a five minute break? 02:18:09.426 --> 02:18:11.692 Yes. Let me be more directive. I could use a five minute break. 02:18:13.895 --> 02:18:16.296 We'll we will be in recess for the next five minutes. Thank 02:18:17.567 --> 02:18:19.567 you all will be right back. But 02:18:28.477 --> 02:18:30.477 we do with a break. Wow. Now, uh and we're onto 02:18:30.546 --> 02:18:33.247 our action items for our agenda today, starting with consent 02:18:34.516 --> 02:18:36.918 Agenda items. Seven through nine council member McDorman 02:18:36.918 --> 02:18:38.519 and commit him to remove adoption of the consent agenda 02:18:41.623 --> 02:18:44.560 item 739. Consent agenda is before us, MADAM Clerk, Would 02:18:44.225 --> 02:18:46.292 you please call the roll? Thank you, MADAM Chair Council member 02:18:47.361 --> 02:18:48.894 Dembowski. I can't remember Dembowski votes. I can't 02:18:50.970 --> 02:18:52.970 remember Dunn. All right, all 02:18:54.680 --> 02:18:56.680 right. Remember Dunn both so I 02:18:56.170 --> 02:18:58.605 can't remember. Kohl-Welles, uh, here remember, Kohl-Welles, but 02:18:58.605 --> 02:19:00.605 I council member Lambert High. 02:19:03.430 --> 02:19:05.430 Here. Councilmember Lambert 02:19:05.579 --> 02:19:07.579 both I I'm sorry. Thank you, 02:19:08.810 --> 02:19:10.810 Councilmember. McDermott by The 02:19:10.951 --> 02:19:12.951 council member of the growth. 02:19:13.860 --> 02:19:14.687 I'm here and vote. I thank you wrap around both High Council 02:19:17.457 --> 02:19:19.240 member von Reichbauer. Aye. Von Reichbauer both accounts 02:19:22.361 --> 02:19:24.361 member Zahilay. Member of the 02:19:30.502 --> 02:19:32.737 highlight. MADAM Chair Aye. And I'm sure about his eight eyes and council members of hell. 02:19:35.541 --> 02:19:37.541 Excuse. All right. By our vote 02:19:37.743 --> 02:19:39.743 we have approved adopted 02:19:41.680 --> 02:19:43.680 Proposed ordinance is 2021-0 02:19:48.720 --> 02:19:50.988 dot 0135 and Dash 0165. Next up is proposed Substitute 02:19:51.422 --> 02:19:53.422 ordinance 2021 0184 Council 02:19:57.795 --> 02:20:00.764 member McDermott. Thank you, MADAM Chair. I move We adopt 02:20:04.535 --> 02:20:07.103 ordinance 2021 184. Thank you, Councilor McDermott. I'll speak 02:20:09.473 --> 02:20:11.473 to it as the sponsor. Um this 02:20:12.608 --> 02:20:15.344 is a proposal to amend the preamble to the King County 02:20:16.645 --> 02:20:19.548 charter. It was proposed to us by the Charter Review Commission. We spoke about it 02:20:21.351 --> 02:20:23.351 in the committee of the whole. 02:20:23.353 --> 02:20:25.353 And I believe this was 02:20:25.487 --> 02:20:27.487 forwarded with a deep past 02:20:28.570 --> 02:20:29.591 recommendation. Uh generally just as a reminder. The 02:20:32.230 --> 02:20:35.960 preamble, uh, is. Not binding language, but it sets the it 02:20:35.930 --> 02:20:37.932 sets the stage. If you think about the preamble to the 02:20:38.501 --> 02:20:40.100 United States Constitution, it can be pretty important 02:20:40.968 --> 02:20:42.569 language that says, uh, what we're about and what we care 02:20:45.442 --> 02:20:47.742 and what we value. And our preamble has not been updated 02:20:49.812 --> 02:20:51.879 in well over a decade. And this amendment updates the language 02:20:52.113 --> 02:20:54.515 to better align with our values. Today it talks about 02:20:55.216 --> 02:20:57.986 our commitment to equity. Our commitment to economic 02:20:59.530 --> 02:21:00.655 prosperity in both incorporated and unincorporated King County 02:21:06.494 --> 02:21:09.229 and more. Um, it does, uh, set. Our goal is a superior quality 02:21:11.364 --> 02:21:13.134 of life. And so again, this this amendment was recommended 02:21:17.202 --> 02:21:19.202 by our charter commission. And 02:21:19.473 --> 02:21:21.475 if we approve this today, this this language would be proposed 02:21:21.475 --> 02:21:23.475 to the voters in the NOVEMBER 02:21:25.644 --> 02:21:28.282 election. We have Sam Porter. I understand here today to brief 02:21:30.450 --> 02:21:33.180 amendments, and, uh, it's really just a technical change. 02:21:35.855 --> 02:21:37.455 But Sam, can you. Brief us on the amendment before we move 02:21:39.692 --> 02:21:42.460 into motions in action. Sure for the record. Sam Porter 02:21:43.796 --> 02:21:46.599 Council central staff. Um these, There are two amendments 02:21:46.764 --> 02:21:48.764 to this item that are in your 02:21:49.366 --> 02:21:52.201 green folder. Um the first one is on Page two of the Green 02:21:52.803 --> 02:21:54.338 folder, and it is, uh, as you characterized a technical 02:21:56.608 --> 02:21:58.608 amendment that just. Um, 02:21:59.770 --> 02:22:01.945 changes the language, uh, recommended by legal counsel, 02:22:03.114 --> 02:22:05.114 um, to refer to the election 02:22:06.217 --> 02:22:09.152 date to comport with state law. Um, so that's Amendment one and 02:22:10.319 --> 02:22:12.155 then Title Amendment t one just changes the title to comport 02:22:16.428 --> 02:22:18.428 with the first minute. Thank 02:22:18.561 --> 02:22:20.696 you very much, Um, California McDermott, could I ask you to move Amendment one for me, 02:22:22.266 --> 02:22:24.266 please? Don't move, 02:22:25.601 --> 02:22:27.704 MADAM Chair. Thank you. Amendment one is before us. Are there any questions or 02:22:29.973 --> 02:22:31.473 discussion? All those in favor of and I'm sorry to hear 02:22:33.810 --> 02:22:36.578 somebody. All those in favour of amendment one, please signify by saying Aye, aye, 02:22:38.347 --> 02:22:40.347 right. Already pumped. Any 02:22:43.185 --> 02:22:44.819 opposed. Amendment one carries Amendment t one counts memory, 02:22:48.357 --> 02:22:50.357 Dermot. Move adoption the title 02:22:50.492 --> 02:22:53.196 Amendment t one MADAM Share a title amendment is before us all those in favor, Please 02:22:53.862 --> 02:22:55.862 signify by saying, Aye. All 02:22:59.600 --> 02:23:01.600 right, bye. And he opposed. 02:23:03.172 --> 02:23:05.606 Entitle Amendment passes. Um without I would urge everyone 02:23:06.207 --> 02:23:09.109 support and this would be the first Troutner amendment for 02:23:10.912 --> 02:23:13.180 the For the ballot this year, although we have one more on 02:23:13.180 --> 02:23:15.180 the agenda today and possibly 02:23:16.510 --> 02:23:18.486 some additional ones coming up. Um any other comments before I 02:23:23.424 --> 02:23:25.557 call for a vote? Hearing none. MADAM Clerk, would you please 02:23:26.660 --> 02:23:28.796 call the roll? Thank you, Madam Chair. A council member. Dembowski I remembered the 02:23:28.796 --> 02:23:30.796 basket, but I can't remember 02:23:32.265 --> 02:23:34.265 Dunn. Hi. Never done both by 02:23:36.690 --> 02:23:37.635 council member Kohl-Welles. I remember Kohl-Welles, but I 02:23:39.472 --> 02:23:41.907 can't remember. Lambert? Aye. Remember both council member 02:23:42.709 --> 02:23:45.510 McDermott Councilmember McDermott, both High Council 02:23:45.945 --> 02:23:47.477 member of the girl, I remember through both as I Council 02:23:50.384 --> 02:23:52.160 member von Reichbauer. Aye. Member von Reichbauer about the 02:23:53.452 --> 02:23:54.953 councilmember Zahilay. Aye. Was the highlight of outside 02:23:57.256 --> 02:23:58.789 MADAM Chair. Hi. I'm sure the bit of nine eyes their own 02:24:02.394 --> 02:24:04.929 notes. By our vote we have adopted proposed substitute 02:24:09.467 --> 02:24:11.467 ordinance 2021 as amended. Next 02:24:12.700 --> 02:24:14.104 is item 11 Council member McDermott, would you please 02:24:15.807 --> 02:24:17.807 move this item? I'm sure Remove 02:24:19.443 --> 02:24:22.379 we approve ordinance 2021 185. Thank you very much. It is 02:24:23.581 --> 02:24:25.849 before us and as the sponsor, I'll speak to this one as well. 02:24:26.216 --> 02:24:28.752 This also came through cow last week. I don't recall if we move 02:24:28.752 --> 02:24:30.253 this with a recommendation or without there were some 02:24:33.155 --> 02:24:35.155 questions. Just as a reminder. 02:24:35.459 --> 02:24:37.827 This, uh is another proposal, which it passed, would put a 02:24:38.295 --> 02:24:40.463 question before the voters in NOVEMBER to adopt our update 02:24:42.798 --> 02:24:44.798 Our county charter. This would 02:24:45.100 --> 02:24:47.100 be the final step in a multi 02:24:47.670 --> 02:24:49.571 year multi step effort to clean up the county's initiative and 02:24:51.207 --> 02:24:53.141 referendum process. We updated county code in 2000 and 18, so 02:24:55.100 --> 02:24:57.911 that it would be more clear. Align with state law. This 02:24:58.112 --> 02:25:00.381 amendment would bring the charter into alignment with 02:25:01.850 --> 02:25:03.850 both state law and are revised 02:25:05.921 --> 02:25:07.921 code, thus setting a rational. 02:25:08.990 --> 02:25:11.580 Path that one could follow. If one wanted to go through the 02:25:12.592 --> 02:25:15.394 effort of bringing a referendum or initiative to the county, 02:25:16.970 --> 02:25:17.698 Miranda Leskinen of our Council central staff I understand is 02:25:21.340 --> 02:25:23.340 available. To brief amendments 02:25:24.305 --> 02:25:26.172 and answer questions. Uh as with the last what? I'm going 02:25:26.472 --> 02:25:28.472 to ask Miranda to go ahead and 02:25:28.509 --> 02:25:31.100 brief the amendments prior to asking for a motion and a vote on them. Miranda, would you 02:25:32.912 --> 02:25:35.381 please go ahead? Sure. Thank you, MADAM Chair for the 02:25:35.482 --> 02:25:38.318 record, Randall Leskinen Council staff, So these two 02:25:38.318 --> 02:25:40.720 amendments are actually the same technical corrections as 02:25:40.987 --> 02:25:43.822 you were just briefed on for the prior item. Um there's 02:25:44.457 --> 02:25:46.791 amendment one. It would correct the reference to the election 02:25:48.940 --> 02:25:50.663 date to comport with a state statute and then the title 02:25:50.663 --> 02:25:52.698 amendment would make the same technical correction in the title of the proposed 02:25:56.235 --> 02:25:58.235 ordinance. All right. Thank you 02:26:00.806 --> 02:26:02.806 very much. And. Um are there 02:26:05.978 --> 02:26:08.779 any questions on the for stuff? Dembowski councilmember 02:26:08.881 --> 02:26:10.581 Dembowski, Please find it. Thank you. I'm chair and 02:26:11.383 --> 02:26:13.651 Miranda. Thank you very much for being here to answer 02:26:14.619 --> 02:26:16.953 questions I had. We had a little dialogue and committee around this, and I appreciate 02:26:19.290 --> 02:26:21.290 the work to kind of. Clean up 02:26:21.693 --> 02:26:23.293 and clarify our referendum and initiative process here in the 02:26:25.930 --> 02:26:28.198 charter, but. I'm still left with the impression that this 02:26:29.834 --> 02:26:31.935 also makes a policy choice and I'm happy to be corrected here 02:26:33.571 --> 02:26:36.206 as to when we could ask the voters to weigh in on 02:26:36.607 --> 02:26:38.207 initiatives and referenda, and that would be too limited as I 02:26:40.577 --> 02:26:42.577 understand it, too. The 02:26:43.247 --> 02:26:45.247 following NOVEMBER general 02:26:47.217 --> 02:26:49.485 election. And, um it's kind. It's kind of an interesting 02:26:50.453 --> 02:26:52.586 issue to me. I'm one of the concerns that I wanted to get 02:26:56.391 --> 02:26:58.391 some clarification on. Was um 02:26:58.696 --> 02:27:01.530 the consequences of that. If that is, in fact, the case here 02:27:01.664 --> 02:27:03.664 and I a scenario that I've been 02:27:04.465 --> 02:27:06.465 thinking about in my mind is. 02:27:06.836 --> 02:27:08.836 Let's say we adopted a piece of 02:27:09.405 --> 02:27:12.105 legislation important. Uh and we did it say and SEPTEMBER of 02:27:16.310 --> 02:27:18.310 20. 21 This change were in 02:27:19.247 --> 02:27:21.982 effect and residents, sir, voters didn't like that and 02:27:22.984 --> 02:27:24.618 wanted to send it to make up make it subject to referendum. 02:27:26.221 --> 02:27:28.822 They would file with the clerk. Their formal petition would be approved. Then they go get the 02:27:31.292 --> 02:27:33.292 signatures. Would it be the 02:27:33.761 --> 02:27:35.863 case that that I'm going to assume there that it wouldn't 02:27:35.863 --> 02:27:37.863 make that NOVEMBER ballot 02:27:38.865 --> 02:27:40.865 because of cutting time off, or 02:27:41.402 --> 02:27:44.103 election timing? Would it be the case that that law would be 02:27:44.503 --> 02:27:46.503 suspended until NOVEMBER of 02:27:48.942 --> 02:27:50.942 2022? In other words, more than 02:27:51.845 --> 02:27:54.713 14 months later, if this were to be a center the voters and 02:27:55.615 --> 02:27:57.816 adopted what I'm what I'm concerned about is do we are 02:27:58.551 --> 02:28:00.551 rebuilding in in that scenario, 02:28:00.820 --> 02:28:02.254 a very long period to get an answer on a piece of 02:28:04.924 --> 02:28:06.924 legislation. Versus I think 02:28:07.960 --> 02:28:10.610 today's of policy and the and the charter as it would go to 02:28:10.930 --> 02:28:12.662 the next election. In that case, probably FEBRUARY or it 02:28:14.200 --> 02:28:16.200 could be a MARCH or APRIL. MAY 02:28:16.435 --> 02:28:18.803 whenever we do in AUGUST that's like kind of articulated my 02:28:19.638 --> 02:28:21.639 inquiry there, Miranda in a way, that's understandable. 02:28:22.740 --> 02:28:23.641 Sure So thank you, Council member If I'm following your 02:28:26.411 --> 02:28:28.411 question, correctly, um. The 02:28:28.446 --> 02:28:30.446 change would be that the 02:28:30.482 --> 02:28:32.381 default would be port to go to the general. However there is a 02:28:33.117 --> 02:28:35.218 provision in the proposal that council would still reserve the 02:28:36.186 --> 02:28:38.655 right to if you decided to have it earlier. You could still do 02:28:39.457 --> 02:28:41.457 so. Um but generally unless 02:28:41.792 --> 02:28:44.600 council, um it took action. Do you have it at an earlier election? It would default to 02:28:44.600 --> 02:28:46.600 the General. I hope that makes 02:28:48.966 --> 02:28:51.367 sense. It does so that would that would be in our discretion 02:28:52.169 --> 02:28:54.437 on choosing the election date. That's correct. So council 02:28:54.571 --> 02:28:57.506 would have discretion to have it at an earlier election. Um 02:28:57.674 --> 02:28:59.674 so that that there is that 02:28:59.876 --> 02:29:02.110 provision in their correct and could someone help me 02:29:02.944 --> 02:29:05.780 understand the policy argument for the default to the NOVEMBER 02:29:08.651 --> 02:29:11.553 and setting up that. Choice rather than just having it be 02:29:11.854 --> 02:29:13.854 as it is today, where we were 02:29:14.123 --> 02:29:16.423 was that change Proposed short. Thank you. Council member. One 02:29:17.658 --> 02:29:19.961 thing I'm just recalling off. The top of my head is in the 02:29:20.529 --> 02:29:22.662 final report from the Charter Review Commission that was submitted to the council. One 02:29:24.933 --> 02:29:27.500 of the, uh. A kind of rationale or key factors that was cited 02:29:28.804 --> 02:29:30.804 was from it from a cost 02:29:32.440 --> 02:29:34.440 perspective. Um in other words, 02:29:35.210 --> 02:29:37.111 uh, kind of having these items at a general election 02:29:37.846 --> 02:29:40.614 potentially could be a cop from a cost savings perspective is a 02:29:41.349 --> 02:29:44.170 rationale for having that as a default. If I'm and again I'm recalling from memory, citing 02:29:46.354 --> 02:29:49.550 from the report, but. In essence, in a nutshell from a cost potential cost savings 02:29:52.560 --> 02:29:54.560 perspective. Thank you. And 02:29:54.595 --> 02:29:57.363 just on the other side of that coin, Let's say some, uh, 02:29:57.664 --> 02:29:59.664 person or group wanted to 02:30:00.968 --> 02:30:02.968 advance an initiative. Um. To 02:30:03.103 --> 02:30:05.103 adopt a new law or even charter 02:30:06.390 --> 02:30:08.939 change. Would the would the same default and choice of 02:30:09.676 --> 02:30:12.111 election rules apply where the council could it would default 02:30:12.111 --> 02:30:14.111 to NOVEMBER, but the council 02:30:16.516 --> 02:30:19.317 could choose a different date. You know, Council member if I 02:30:20.253 --> 02:30:22.555 MAY, um I might want to look that one up just to make sure I 02:30:22.555 --> 02:30:24.855 don't give an incorrect answer. And I'm happy to follow up with you after the council meeting 02:30:27.159 --> 02:30:28.893 if that would be acceptable. That might be a little late. 02:30:29.894 --> 02:30:31.996 We're supposed to be your name. In fact, it's in front of us 02:30:32.664 --> 02:30:35.566 right now. So if we need some time we can let I'm happy to. Yeah come back and go on to 02:30:38.936 --> 02:30:41.872 other things, but sure. Yeah. We MAY have legal staff who is 02:30:42.707 --> 02:30:44.908 on the line to who MAY be able to answer your question to a 02:30:46.210 --> 02:30:48.645 council member of my apologies. That's okay. No apologies required. These are kind of 02:30:52.415 --> 02:30:54.415 really detailed. Questions. Uh 02:30:54.919 --> 02:30:56.919 Council member, Kimball, more 02:30:57.253 --> 02:30:59.253 legal counsel. Um I must add 02:30:59.255 --> 02:31:00.890 both he and we should have and the referendum sections and the 02:31:03.492 --> 02:31:05.492 language is identical. So it's 02:31:05.796 --> 02:31:07.730 either general election for an earlier day until by the 02:31:12.969 --> 02:31:15.936 council. Can I just jump in here for a second? I think that 02:31:17.273 --> 02:31:19.841 the issue MAY partially be and I'm speculating that if you 02:31:22.545 --> 02:31:25.212 haven't if you. Trigger a special election that otherwise 02:31:26.949 --> 02:31:28.650 wouldn't occur. Um the jurisdiction that triggers it 02:31:29.318 --> 02:31:31.318 has to pay a fairly hefty fee 02:31:33.454 --> 02:31:36.256 for it. And, um. Assume that that would be us in that case, 02:31:37.759 --> 02:31:40.728 if we had if, and even if we joined others in a special election, I believe we do all 02:31:41.463 --> 02:31:43.463 sort of kick in for the cost of 02:31:44.199 --> 02:31:46.633 the special election. So, um, I'm speculating that that might 02:31:46.933 --> 02:31:49.503 have been part of the thinking around giving the council some 02:31:50.104 --> 02:31:51.638 say over whether something goes to a special election and 02:31:53.241 --> 02:31:56.209 having a default to the general. When we know we're going to run an election, it doesn't incur 02:31:59.146 --> 02:32:01.146 extra costs. But. No, it's good. 02:32:02.917 --> 02:32:05.118 It's good dot Yeah, the long lead time on this stuff. So you're right. I think to ask 02:32:08.122 --> 02:32:10.122 the questions. I think my 02:32:11.625 --> 02:32:14.361 concern on on that is that if there's enough momentum to 02:32:14.361 --> 02:32:16.361 bring forward qualifying 02:32:18.130 --> 02:32:20.531 initiative by the people. I guess I'm real reluctant to get 02:32:21.533 --> 02:32:23.533 between them and a kind of in 02:32:23.870 --> 02:32:25.870 the ballot box. By having that 02:32:26.205 --> 02:32:29.400 discretion to change the data. I kind of maybe have a 02:32:29.875 --> 02:32:32.378 preference for the model we have today. Where um, it would 02:32:32.378 --> 02:32:34.378 be on the next by by the on the 02:32:36.248 --> 02:32:38.248 next election. Thank you, MADAM 02:32:39.685 --> 02:32:41.386 Chair. Thank you. Remember, um. Catherine Lambert, please go 02:32:41.987 --> 02:32:43.987 ahead. Thank you. I am 02:32:44.523 --> 02:32:46.523 struggled with that to council 02:32:47.392 --> 02:32:49.392 member of Dembowski that, um, 02:32:51.830 --> 02:32:54.730 that the issue could be that a. If you could come forward that 02:32:55.300 --> 02:32:57.300 the council didn't like and so 02:32:58.136 --> 02:33:00.136 by putting it off till NOVEMBER 02:33:00.370 --> 02:33:02.370 that could kill the opportunity 02:33:02.708 --> 02:33:05.407 for the people to get taken care of as quickly as possible 02:33:05.743 --> 02:33:07.743 if it were saying in comes 02:33:09.880 --> 02:33:11.880 forward and like DECEMBER. So, 02:33:12.182 --> 02:33:13.750 um, I had kind of thought that it would be good to have an 02:33:14.885 --> 02:33:16.885 appeal process or or to keep 02:33:16.954 --> 02:33:19.870 the language the same. So, um, anyway, I just want to throw that out that I do have that 02:33:23.627 --> 02:33:25.627 concern. Thank you, Um. Say as 02:33:27.697 --> 02:33:29.898 the sponsor. Uh, and, uh, also the sponsor of the changes to the code that we did a couple 02:33:31.601 --> 02:33:33.601 of years ago. The current state 02:33:34.904 --> 02:33:37.572 of affairs, is that. You could file for an initiative or 02:33:38.274 --> 02:33:40.274 referendum. You could get all 02:33:40.608 --> 02:33:42.911 the information from elections. You could get your title. Right 02:33:43.244 --> 02:33:45.413 You can get your signatures in. You could get them counted. You 02:33:46.782 --> 02:33:49.480 could fail to get on the ballot at all, because our rules and 02:33:51.953 --> 02:33:54.155 that happened. In fact, you certainly could fail to get on 02:33:54.488 --> 02:33:57.257 the ballot that you're aiming for because our rules are out 02:33:58.460 --> 02:34:00.600 of sync. They say one thing over here and something else 02:34:04.799 --> 02:34:06.799 over there. And even if a clerk, 02:34:07.100 --> 02:34:09.236 clerk, staff or ah, election staff is giving you their best 02:34:13.500 --> 02:34:15.500 interpretation. It doesn't 02:34:15.408 --> 02:34:17.408 work. It's like it's like amaze 02:34:19.146 --> 02:34:21.948 with no path to the hand and so. It MAY be that with this whole 02:34:23.984 --> 02:34:25.984 package, you don't have a path 02:34:26.319 --> 02:34:28.822 to every to a guaranteed path to any election you want. You 02:34:28.822 --> 02:34:30.422 have an option if you can convince the council to get to 02:34:32.992 --> 02:34:34.826 a special election. You always have the power to get to a 02:34:36.950 --> 02:34:38.362 general election. That is not the case for anybody today, and 02:34:39.232 --> 02:34:41.232 so it might not be a perfect 02:34:42.340 --> 02:34:44.201 fix, but I would submit and I think I'm into argumentation here. But I would submit that 02:34:46.138 --> 02:34:47.705 that. This change would make things better than they are 02:34:52.611 --> 02:34:54.712 today. But. But not perhaps what everybody would want them 02:34:54.913 --> 02:34:57.314 to be. And so that's why there's nine of us and that's 02:34:58.450 --> 02:35:01.252 why we will. Look. Uh I would like to cancel and delivered into the question as a follow 02:35:03.855 --> 02:35:05.956 up to that. Please go ahead. I totally agree with what you 02:35:07.910 --> 02:35:08.959 just said that we have to have a path that makes sense. And 02:35:09.762 --> 02:35:12.362 the one we do doesn't so I really appreciate you taking on 02:35:12.362 --> 02:35:14.362 that effort, But I'm wondering 02:35:14.764 --> 02:35:16.764 and looking at line 36. If we 02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:19.680 were to say instead of Instead 02:35:22.840 --> 02:35:25.608 of crossing out. Vessel or, um, that we just leave in special 02:35:27.344 --> 02:35:29.344 or so there is an option that 02:35:29.479 --> 02:35:32.140 it can go to either or because I think that would take care of 02:35:32.716 --> 02:35:35.519 the concerned that counselor Dembowski raised originally and 02:35:38.254 --> 02:35:41.560 the very big concern also that. Currently it doesn't work. So 02:35:41.391 --> 02:35:44.590 um, anyway, throw that out as a suggestion that anybody interested in looking further 02:35:47.229 --> 02:35:49.397 at that. So let's hold that thought promote. We do have 02:35:50.198 --> 02:35:52.967 amendments and if you want, if you decide you want to offer that as a as a verbal 02:35:53.350 --> 02:35:55.350 amendment, we can consider it 02:35:55.304 --> 02:35:57.304 But we have a Technical 02:36:01.760 --> 02:36:02.710 Amendment first. So if I can. Ask council member McDermott to 02:36:04.379 --> 02:36:06.379 put Amendment one before us. 02:36:07.982 --> 02:36:09.982 Move Adoption of Amendment one. 02:36:10.185 --> 02:36:11.752 Thank you, Uh, and this has been briefed. Are there any 02:36:16.322 --> 02:36:19.920 questions on Amendment one? Hearing None. All those in 02:36:19.727 --> 02:36:21.294 favour of amendment one, please signify by saying, Aye. All 02:36:23.996 --> 02:36:25.996 right, um He opposed. Amendment 02:36:29.470 --> 02:36:32.500 one carries. Um Council member Lambert or Dunn, vascular. 02:36:32.500 --> 02:36:34.500 Anyone who would like to offer 02:36:39.512 --> 02:36:41.512 a verbal Amendment. On this rod. 02:36:41.514 --> 02:36:43.582 I'm a little behind council member Lambert on the location 02:36:44.417 --> 02:36:46.417 in the text, but I'm curious if, 02:36:47.200 --> 02:36:49.870 um if her suggestion maybe legal counselor staff could 02:36:49.455 --> 02:36:52.900 help us with that, Would that take care of that issue? In 02:36:52.592 --> 02:36:54.592 other words, we go to the next 02:36:55.960 --> 02:36:57.662 election consistent with them. Uh the elections department 02:37:04.235 --> 02:37:06.137 timelines. You know, I had looked to staff or legal 02:37:08.507 --> 02:37:10.507 counsel. To Uh, see if they 02:37:12.410 --> 02:37:14.845 followed. The suggestion. If not, maybe we can say it again. 02:37:16.881 --> 02:37:18.881 And get a Can you repeat it for 02:37:20.317 --> 02:37:22.552 the clerk, please? Remember Lambda, Can you repeat what you were suggesting one more time, 02:37:27.557 --> 02:37:29.557 please. Yes, I was looking at 02:37:31.762 --> 02:37:33.762 lines 30 at line 36. Going to 02:37:36.330 --> 02:37:38.330 the end of the period. Um so. 02:37:39.536 --> 02:37:42.505 Legal stuff we're taking at and leaving in the words special, 02:37:42.806 --> 02:37:44.806 or, um, would that take care of 02:37:47.377 --> 02:37:49.645 it? Or would we also need to change the rest of the sentence? 02:37:50.790 --> 02:37:52.281 But would it take first question is, would that take care of the issues that we're 02:37:54.784 --> 02:37:56.784 bringing up? I don't see a 02:37:57.952 --> 02:37:59.952 period in line 36 my roots. 02:37:59.954 --> 02:38:01.954 Okay You're right. It goes to 02:38:08.330 --> 02:38:10.330 the comma after line 38. Are we 02:38:11.967 --> 02:38:13.501 online 38 or 36? 36 is where the first words would be 02:38:16.104 --> 02:38:17.638 special or. So would that take care of the problem? Just 02:38:20.730 --> 02:38:22.730 leaving those two words in. 02:38:23.645 --> 02:38:25.645 Mike, Can you hear me? Yes it's 02:38:25.947 --> 02:38:27.447 pretty. It's pretty, uh, Fuzzy. Kendall. Do you have any 02:38:29.617 --> 02:38:31.617 options for Yes, it is better, 02:38:36.624 --> 02:38:38.624 much better. Thank you. Uh my, 02:38:39.226 --> 02:38:41.226 if I can do more legal counsel, 02:38:42.394 --> 02:38:44.394 my concern of, uh, changing it. 02:38:49.202 --> 02:38:51.570 Uh uh. To either. As I understand it, Council member 02:38:52.305 --> 02:38:54.305 Lambert to be placed on the on 02:38:54.574 --> 02:38:56.508 the ballot, either at the special election or the next 02:39:01.614 --> 02:39:03.181 general election. Um yes. Is that? Where do you make that 02:39:08.254 --> 02:39:10.521 decision? Wouldn't that be up to the people who were bringing 02:39:10.756 --> 02:39:12.756 the ballot fourth to be able to 02:39:13.625 --> 02:39:16.294 say, um this issue is eminently important to us, and we're willing to pay for those costs 02:39:18.829 --> 02:39:21.166 or. No, this can wait and we will share the costs at the 02:39:21.366 --> 02:39:24.101 next general election. So it seems to me that when somebody 02:39:24.903 --> 02:39:27.371 brings this issue forward, they would be the ones that would want to know or choose what 02:39:28.106 --> 02:39:30.106 election. That they would want 02:39:35.546 --> 02:39:38.381 it on. Okay, Let me jump in here for a second. Kendall I 02:39:39.216 --> 02:39:41.216 don't think that that change 02:39:41.551 --> 02:39:44.354 does what you're trying to do, because if you just put special 02:39:45.622 --> 02:39:48.424 or back in, it would say, special or next general 02:39:49.293 --> 02:39:51.193 election following the date of the filing of the sign 02:39:51.427 --> 02:39:52.962 petitions or at an earlier election designated by the 02:39:55.298 --> 02:39:57.298 county Council. I think what 02:39:57.866 --> 02:39:59.435 you would need to do would be to say placed on the ballot 02:40:01.404 --> 02:40:03.772 either. At the next general election following the date of the filing of the sign 02:40:07.108 --> 02:40:09.910 petitions. Or at a special election, and then we would 02:40:10.313 --> 02:40:12.981 need some more language to make it clear that that special 02:40:13.816 --> 02:40:16.549 election had to occur after all, the processing that is needed was done so this would 02:40:19.121 --> 02:40:21.690 need work. Frankly, this issue came up at cow and anybody 02:40:21.690 --> 02:40:23.624 could have worked on an amendment and they didn't so 02:40:24.493 --> 02:40:26.561 I'm going to if people want to take a moment before the end of 02:40:26.561 --> 02:40:28.662 this meeting to come up with some verbal language, that's 02:40:28.897 --> 02:40:30.531 fine. But if not, I'm going to ask that we take a vote on this 02:40:39.807 --> 02:40:41.675 today. Uh, Dembowski. Councilor Dembowski. Thank you, MADAM 02:40:44.645 --> 02:40:46.645 Chair. I appreciate that, and. 02:40:46.680 --> 02:40:48.848 That would be important. I think for at least for me to be 02:40:49.516 --> 02:40:51.516 a yes, but we are dealing with 02:40:51.552 --> 02:40:53.553 the charter here. And I think we should get it right. And i 02:40:58.223 --> 02:41:00.292 were JUNE. This would be on the. Just going for the AUGUST 02:41:00.425 --> 02:41:02.795 ballot. Well, I guess what is our deadlines here? Do we have 02:41:03.763 --> 02:41:05.964 a week is my question to make sure we work it through if we 02:41:06.990 --> 02:41:08.634 want, if, if the more majority the council also concurred in that, and I don't know where 02:41:11.700 --> 02:41:13.439 people are. But it would be good to get it right because 02:41:13.606 --> 02:41:16.441 you've worked frankly, very hard to get it right and do all 02:41:17.742 --> 02:41:20.440 of the steps and I would I would hate for this concern if five folks were interested or 02:41:23.615 --> 02:41:25.450 more to With a quick change on the way to the ballot today. Do 02:41:27.520 --> 02:41:28.619 something wrong, You know, it's Don't think our deadline is 02:41:31.857 --> 02:41:34.492 today. Miranda do you have a sense of when our deadline is 02:41:34.492 --> 02:41:36.594 for trying? I mean, because I think they're still trying to 02:41:36.594 --> 02:41:38.162 amendment proposals coming, so I'm guessing our deadline is 02:41:40.131 --> 02:41:42.532 not today. Sure that that's correct, MADAM. Sure, this is 02:41:43.670 --> 02:41:45.402 Miranda. So my understanding is the last regular council 02:41:46.204 --> 02:41:47.703 meeting. Um for action would be JULY. The 20th. I'm not 02:41:50.474 --> 02:41:52.842 mistaken. Okay So I'm gonna take that as a request for one week courtesy delay on this 02:41:57.414 --> 02:41:59.716 item. Uh I will shoulder the burden MADAM Chair of doing 02:41:59.716 --> 02:42:01.684 what you suggested in committee. We do, which is get 02:42:02.452 --> 02:42:04.387 an amendment ready and then just see if folks want to go 02:42:04.788 --> 02:42:07.210 that way Well, and I'll work with council member Lambert and 02:42:08.223 --> 02:42:10.459 anybody else that wants to help that customer. Von Reichbauer 02:42:11.227 --> 02:42:14.129 is raising his hand and work with staff and legal counsel to see if we can come up with 02:42:14.230 --> 02:42:16.498 something that would at least present the choice to our colleagues of what do they want 02:42:18.434 --> 02:42:20.434 to do that? We'll have it ready 02:42:20.603 --> 02:42:23.303 as quickly as possible and shared, Think the technical 02:42:23.538 --> 02:42:26.139 things to do here is to table this item until next week 02:42:26.941 --> 02:42:29.577 because it's sitting before us partially amended. So let's 02:42:32.147 --> 02:42:34.349 table this until next Tuesday. Take it up again, then I'll 02:42:34.349 --> 02:42:36.349 repeat one other thing I asked 02:42:37.919 --> 02:42:39.919 at the. Please Please, please 02:42:40.200 --> 02:42:42.923 check with elections because they're the ones who have to process so they are clerk and 02:42:43.992 --> 02:42:46.193 elections are the two places that have to responsible for all the processing. So whatever 02:42:46.794 --> 02:42:48.794 we do has to be Implemented ble 02:42:52.133 --> 02:42:53.733 by those bodies. Okay. Uh thank you very much. Yeah, it will 02:42:58.639 --> 02:43:00.273 move on now to Our next item. This is item 12 Council member 02:43:03.877 --> 02:43:06.145 Lambert. Actually, I'm sorry. This is this is Adam Told is 02:43:06.880 --> 02:43:09.490 the proposed, uh, tenant protections were not taking up 02:43:09.490 --> 02:43:11.830 for action today. We're going to do a briefing today, so I 02:43:11.318 --> 02:43:13.318 take back the request for 02:43:13.586 --> 02:43:15.586 motion. Uh but we do have APRIL 02:43:15.922 --> 02:43:18.724 Sanders with us to brief the ordinance and the amendments, 02:43:21.828 --> 02:43:23.828 so please go ahead. MADAM Chair 02:43:24.300 --> 02:43:25.931 Okay. I'm sorry. Council member Kohl-Welles. Why don't you go 02:43:26.233 --> 02:43:29.340 ahead and give a few words and then any other council members who would like to speak, uh in 02:43:31.770 --> 02:43:34.500 opening. Yeah. Thank you, MADAM Chair. I normally would not 02:43:34.974 --> 02:43:37.708 request set and I wanted to first say that I thank you very 02:43:39.745 --> 02:43:42.214 much for making the decision to host on the action on this 02:43:42.214 --> 02:43:44.214 side, um, until next constant 02:43:45.650 --> 02:43:47.650 moving on next Tuesday. But to 02:43:48.553 --> 02:43:50.553 have a discussion on this, Um 02:43:52.323 --> 02:43:54.992 It's not surprising to me. And but I find it very unfortunate 02:43:54.992 --> 02:43:56.992 that there was so much 02:43:56.994 --> 02:43:59.930 misinformation provided to individuals. We heard a lot of 02:44:02.660 --> 02:44:04.901 that today. And honestly, if I had not known about what is in this legislation and in the 02:44:07.838 --> 02:44:10.338 striking amendment. I would have been opposed to the 02:44:10.874 --> 02:44:12.874 legislation myself and I'm one 02:44:13.810 --> 02:44:15.810 of the sponsors. Um there's 02:44:16.378 --> 02:44:17.846 just no purpose and value in this information being 02:44:21.518 --> 02:44:23.585 provided. I know many of us if not all of us received emails 02:44:26.254 --> 02:44:29.124 from very alarmed. Some outraged about what they 02:44:29.392 --> 02:44:31.392 believed to be in this 02:44:31.693 --> 02:44:34.130 legislation, and I think it's very unfortunate that the 02:44:34.130 --> 02:44:36.130 rental housing association sent 02:44:39.201 --> 02:44:41.201 out. An alert containing 02:44:41.203 --> 02:44:42.735 unthought actual information that has caused a lot of 02:44:44.807 --> 02:44:46.807 heartache to a lot of people. 02:44:48.643 --> 02:44:51.611 But the reality is that, uh, misinformation breeds more mus 02:44:53.213 --> 02:44:56.150 information and I don't As I said, does not help so I would 02:44:56.117 --> 02:44:58.385 like to debunk some of the more common false claims that have 02:45:00.688 --> 02:45:03.230 been made about this. Proposed ordinance. I know that we're 02:45:03.224 --> 02:45:05.224 going to hear from APRIL 02:45:05.559 --> 02:45:07.827 Sanders with a briefing on the striking Amendment. Another 02:45:08.596 --> 02:45:11.164 amendments, but unfortunately so many people who gave part comment are no longer on the 02:45:14.680 --> 02:45:16.680 one And are not going to hear 02:45:18.705 --> 02:45:20.705 this. First of all, uh, This 02:45:21.608 --> 02:45:24.376 ordinance would only apply to the unincorporated parts of King Kong does not apply to 02:45:27.113 --> 02:45:30.140 Seattle. It does not apply to any rental unit in any 02:45:31.551 --> 02:45:33.551 incorporated city of King come 02:45:33.719 --> 02:45:35.719 only to the unincorporated part 02:45:36.289 --> 02:45:39.124 of the county doesn't imply to is the quote we heard that mentioned is certain several 02:45:43.527 --> 02:45:45.527 examples. Secondly um, a 02:45:48.933 --> 02:45:51.802 landlord actually MAY terminate. At least when it expires. We 02:45:52.569 --> 02:45:54.569 heard over and over again, 02:45:54.906 --> 02:45:56.906 about least renewal's being 02:45:58.430 --> 02:46:00.430 mandatory, totally in accurate. 02:46:03.581 --> 02:46:06.316 Um if tenants. Do not pay rent, comply with the material term 02:46:07.919 --> 02:46:09.919 of the least the landlord, Ken 02:46:10.421 --> 02:46:12.421 determined not to extend, uh or 02:46:14.792 --> 02:46:16.792 reading their leases. Certainly 02:46:16.926 --> 02:46:18.926 if it just cause provisions is 02:46:19.128 --> 02:46:21.431 not met. The proposed ordinance would require that a new lease 02:46:21.431 --> 02:46:23.431 agreement be provided to the 02:46:24.767 --> 02:46:26.367 current tenant, but again. Under just causes that should 02:46:29.406 --> 02:46:31.406 not occur. The landlord co 02:46:32.443 --> 02:46:34.443 shoes to raise rent at a point 02:46:35.311 --> 02:46:37.311 in which a new lease agreement 02:46:38.948 --> 02:46:41.616 is at the time of renewal. Or change the length of the rent 02:46:42.250 --> 02:46:45.120 either two months or month month document or a different 02:46:46.422 --> 02:46:48.422 length of time. We heard over 02:46:48.958 --> 02:46:51.393 and over again, but this proposal would make it 02:46:51.393 --> 02:46:53.393 impossible for landlords to 02:46:54.763 --> 02:46:56.664 conduct background checks. And credit reports do any type of 02:47:00.669 --> 02:47:02.669 screening. What is currently in 02:47:02.904 --> 02:47:05.742 law is not touch. The only thing that we have added is 02:47:06.274 --> 02:47:08.274 that for background checks, the 02:47:09.510 --> 02:47:12.244 landlord MAY request them. And the purpose of this did not 02:47:12.780 --> 02:47:14.780 require them. And the first 02:47:14.815 --> 02:47:17.417 purpose of that is to provide flexibility to people who do 02:47:18.840 --> 02:47:20.860 not have Social security numbers so they can still apply 02:47:20.860 --> 02:47:22.860 for housing. Otherwise it will 02:47:23.557 --> 02:47:25.557 not be able to do so. But 02:47:26.193 --> 02:47:28.895 landlords can obtain rental history from perspective, 02:47:29.528 --> 02:47:31.162 tenants and from contacting former landlords. It's just two 02:47:33.802 --> 02:47:36.167 examples. There's been mentioned by some. This will 02:47:36.836 --> 02:47:39.638 prevent landlords from collecting red and why should 02:47:41.341 --> 02:47:43.308 they be pain for renters who just don't want to pay rent? 02:47:43.576 --> 02:47:45.643 Well, that is totally inaccurate. This ordinance 02:47:45.643 --> 02:47:47.643 would not prohibit rental 02:47:49.682 --> 02:47:51.682 collection. And failure to pay 02:47:52.218 --> 02:47:54.419 rent is a just cause provisions that would allow landlord to 02:47:55.754 --> 02:47:58.121 proceed with addiction. In addition, we heard from many 02:47:59.291 --> 02:48:01.893 people who, basically you have 80 user accessory dwelling 02:48:04.161 --> 02:48:06.864 units in their homes. And it's very important for them for 02:48:08.165 --> 02:48:10.165 their own income to be able to 02:48:11.136 --> 02:48:13.136 have those. In fact, we have, 02:48:14.272 --> 02:48:17.400 uh, included in this proposal, a great amount of flexibility 02:48:17.841 --> 02:48:19.409 and evicting tenants in our proposal that would permit 02:48:21.545 --> 02:48:24.314 landlord to grant to 80 years. To evict simply if they no 02:48:24.648 --> 02:48:27.482 longer wish to have a tenant on their property, And I'd like to 02:48:27.618 --> 02:48:29.752 thank council member Lambert contributing to our 02:48:32.321 --> 02:48:34.321 understanding of that, Um. Our 02:48:34.391 --> 02:48:36.924 tenants are the ones who were hurting most, but they can be 02:48:38.295 --> 02:48:40.295 affected by other tenants. And 02:48:40.797 --> 02:48:42.665 there's nothing in this that would permit people who are 02:48:44.567 --> 02:48:46.567 renting to be abusive. 02:48:46.669 --> 02:48:49.371 Aggressive to other tenants. That is it just pause. 02:48:51.307 --> 02:48:54.209 Prediction Um, I'll stop here. I know. Accounts members not alive, would like to make some 02:48:54.842 --> 02:48:56.842 comments about what is in this. 02:48:59.181 --> 02:49:01.181 Proposal, but. To me, and I've 02:49:01.282 --> 02:49:04.850 been upped landlord before my husband and I have been, but 02:49:04.953 --> 02:49:06.953 we've been fair landlords, and 02:49:07.121 --> 02:49:08.721 that's what this amounts to if landlords treat their tenants 02:49:12.294 --> 02:49:14.662 fairly. And communicate. Why they are evicting people. They 02:49:14.662 --> 02:49:16.662 should have nothing to worry 02:49:18.967 --> 02:49:21.234 about. Uh but with that, I'd like to turn this over to 02:49:22.402 --> 02:49:24.402 council members are right to 02:49:24.572 --> 02:49:26.172 complete what we think are very important points to be made. 02:49:28.709 --> 02:49:30.944 Thank you. Thank you so much. Council member Kohl-Welles and 02:49:31.212 --> 02:49:34.113 thank you for your leadership on this matter. Um I would 02:49:35.349 --> 02:49:37.349 actually like to go ahead and 02:49:38.151 --> 02:49:39.752 get the briefing before I make my remarks. Is that okay with 02:49:40.420 --> 02:49:42.420 you, Uh, Both Genie and 02:49:45.825 --> 02:49:48.794 Claudia. My with me, I will proceed. However, you all would 02:49:49.662 --> 02:49:52.640 like to proceed. So I that that all said, Uh, APRIL. Why don't 02:49:54.100 --> 02:49:56.100 you go ahead and brief the. 02:49:57.336 --> 02:49:59.236 Ordinance Um and the striker. However, you plan to do that. 02:49:59.672 --> 02:50:02.700 And then maybe we can hear a bit about the amendments that 02:50:02.700 --> 02:50:03.942 are in the packet. I think there MAY be more amendments 02:50:06.512 --> 02:50:08.512 before we take this up. But. 02:50:08.914 --> 02:50:11.820 Please go ahead. You good afternoon for the record APRIL 02:50:11.883 --> 02:50:13.883 Sanders Council policy staff 02:50:14.953 --> 02:50:17.322 proposed ordinance 2021 0131 would establish just cause provisions and additional 02:50:17.322 --> 02:50:19.322 protections for residential 02:50:20.525 --> 02:50:23.260 tenants. Materials for this item begin on page 91 of your 02:50:23.928 --> 02:50:26.229 packet and supplemental materials were distributed in 02:50:27.165 --> 02:50:29.266 the Green folder. This item was for it into full council without recommendation last 02:50:31.634 --> 02:50:34.270 Wednesday. Proposed ordinance would establish just causes 02:50:34.605 --> 02:50:36.973 that a landlord must satisfy in order to terminate a month 02:50:38.142 --> 02:50:40.475 month tenancy failed to renew a fixed term lease or begin eviction proceedings and 02:50:42.646 --> 02:50:45.348 unincorporated King County. It just causes our list on page 02:50:46.783 --> 02:50:48.783 114 and 115 of the packet but 02:50:49.419 --> 02:50:52.870 include causes like landlord wanting to occupy or sell the 02:50:52.154 --> 02:50:54.456 unit attendant failing to comply with the pay, rent or 02:50:55.125 --> 02:50:57.157 baking notice an attendant or their guests engaging in criminal activity on the 02:50:59.729 --> 02:51:02.300 premises. In addition to just cause policy if the legislation 02:51:02.632 --> 02:51:04.231 would establish additional tenant protections, which I'll 02:51:05.935 --> 02:51:08.570 go through one by one. First it would cap move in fees and 02:51:08.938 --> 02:51:11.839 security deposits at one month's rent, with the option to pain, moving fees and security deposits 02:51:14.750 --> 02:51:17.440 incrementally. It would also cap late fees or costs that can 02:51:17.412 --> 02:51:18.980 be charged to attendant due to non payment of rent at 1% of 02:51:21.249 --> 02:51:23.516 the monthly rent. Legislation would also amend King County 02:51:26.153 --> 02:51:28.490 Code chapter 2.60. The section of code deals with the duties 02:51:28.490 --> 02:51:30.824 and scope of the Department of Public defense and would be 02:51:31.159 --> 02:51:32.693 amended to allow the department to represent tenants whose 02:51:34.428 --> 02:51:37.980 leases have been terminated. Or are subject to unlawful 02:51:37.131 --> 02:51:38.698 detainer actions in violation of any King County ordinance 02:51:40.469 --> 02:51:42.502 when funds are available. Currently there's not funding 02:51:42.835 --> 02:51:44.404 in the biennial budget dedicated to funding public 02:51:46.140 --> 02:51:48.873 defense access for tenants. The legislation would also repeal 02:51:51.440 --> 02:51:53.450 King County code 12.47, which currently requires landlords to 02:51:53.312 --> 02:51:55.848 prevent criminal activity and evict based on criminal violations of the tenant or the 02:51:58.585 --> 02:52:00.653 tenants. Guests. 12 47 also requires landlords to report 02:52:00.653 --> 02:52:02.653 suspicion of criminal activity 02:52:03.588 --> 02:52:05.657 to the sheriff's office. If the landlord does not report 02:52:06.692 --> 02:52:08.927 suspicion of criminal conduct or prevent criminal activity, they can be charged with civil 02:52:10.696 --> 02:52:12.696 infractions. With the repeal of 02:52:13.199 --> 02:52:15.300 12 47 landlord would no longer be required to report or 02:52:15.601 --> 02:52:17.970 prevent criminal activity but would still be able to evict a 02:52:17.970 --> 02:52:19.970 tenant under the just cause 02:52:20.773 --> 02:52:22.840 dealing with criminal activity. In addition to the provisions, 02:52:23.141 --> 02:52:25.543 I've already listed the legislation includes several 02:52:36.691 --> 02:52:39.264 additional protections, which I'll go through a bit more quickly. Would require landlord to give between 121 180 days notice for rent increases greater than 3. It would prohibit landlords from engaging in unfair or abusive acts or practices and deceptive 02:52:40.925 --> 02:52:43.527 acts or practices. It would state that acceptance of rent 02:52:43.894 --> 02:52:45.995 by landlord waves any right to declare forfeiture or seek 02:52:46.864 --> 02:52:48.464 eviction for any prior solely for any prior breaches of the 02:52:50.334 --> 02:52:52.536 rental agreement. It would prohibit a landlord from 02:52:52.536 --> 02:52:54.971 increasing the rent if the dwelling unit has defective conditions, making the unit 02:52:57.674 --> 02:53:00.209 unlivable. It would require rental agreements to include a 02:53:00.443 --> 02:53:03.120 provision allowing tenants to adjust the due date of rent 02:53:03.460 --> 02:53:05.514 payments if the tenant has a fixed income source that the 02:53:05.849 --> 02:53:07.917 tenant receives on a date of the month incongruent with paying rent on the date 02:53:07.917 --> 02:53:09.917 otherwise specified in the 02:53:10.922 --> 02:53:13.155 rental agreement. Example of this is if an individual 02:53:13.289 --> 02:53:14.890 receives Social Security on the second of the month, they MAY 02:53:16.759 --> 02:53:18.927 elect to pay rent on the third. Would also prohibit a landlord 02:53:19.795 --> 02:53:22.664 from refusing to enter into a rental agreement with their perspective tenant if the tenant requests such 02:53:24.900 --> 02:53:27.467 accommodations. It would require landlords to include 02:53:27.803 --> 02:53:29.937 language on a pay, rent or vacate. Notice that the 02:53:30.238 --> 02:53:32.940 landlord MAY allow you to pay rent after the 14 days in lieu of initiating eviction 02:53:35.277 --> 02:53:37.543 proceedings. And lastly, you would prohibit landlords from 02:53:37.879 --> 02:53:40.115 requesting a social security number for the purposes of 02:53:40.115 --> 02:53:42.849 screening of perspective. Tenant landlord MAY screen 02:53:43.151 --> 02:53:45.619 prospective tenants in accordance with state law without requesting or acquiring 02:53:47.822 --> 02:53:50.692 a social security number. Landlord found in violation of 02:53:51.580 --> 02:53:52.926 any of the provisions in the proposed ordinance would be 02:53:53.226 --> 02:53:55.495 liable to a tenant in a private right of action for double 02:53:56.530 --> 02:53:58.863 damages or 4.5. Times the monthly rent whichever is greater and court costs in 20 02:54:01.601 --> 02:54:03.536 cities. Exception is the use of attendant social security 02:54:04.171 --> 02:54:05.938 number for tenant screening if a landlord is found in 02:54:07.240 --> 02:54:08.906 violation of this provision, it would be held liable up to 02:54:09.442 --> 02:54:11.610 double damages or one month's rent, whichever is greater, and court costs and attorney's 02:54:13.945 --> 02:54:16.415 fees. The Superior Court would act as the enforcement mechanism of the provisions 02:54:18.251 --> 02:54:20.218 included in the legislation. If a tenant believes the landlord 02:54:20.486 --> 02:54:22.854 has wrongfully initiated eviction proceedings or 02:54:23.189 --> 02:54:24.789 wrongfully refuses to renew a fixed release, the tenant MAY 02:54:26.525 --> 02:54:29.250 bring the landlord court. Lastly the legislation includes a series of directives to the 02:54:31.230 --> 02:54:33.498 executive. The executive would be required to develop a 02:54:33.800 --> 02:54:35.800 central phone number within d. 02:54:35.934 --> 02:54:38.135 C hs for tenants who believe their tendency was terminated or their fixed term lease was 02:54:39.471 --> 02:54:41.538 not renewed, Wrongfully. Executive would be required to 02:54:42.841 --> 02:54:44.540 transmit a tenant protections access plan with accompanying 02:54:44.843 --> 02:54:47.644 legislation to codify recommendations and a landlord 02:54:49.779 --> 02:54:52.516 outreach plan by AUGUST 2021. The tenant protections access plan would include 02:54:52.750 --> 02:54:54.818 recommendations on providing information about tenant 02:54:55.720 --> 02:54:58.188 protections in King County and access to those protections to residents with limited English 02:55:00.758 --> 02:55:02.926 proficiency. Recommendations on providing tenant protections to 02:55:02.926 --> 02:55:04.494 undocumented residents who MAY have a fear of accessing the 02:55:06.662 --> 02:55:09.365 court system. I know you're right standing with the objective of spreading 02:55:10.670 --> 02:55:12.334 awareness of the new provisions in the proposed ordinance, 02:55:13.502 --> 02:55:15.738 utilizing partnerships with community organizations and the King County Immigrant refugee 02:55:18.740 --> 02:55:20.509 commission. And recommendations on ways to provide free like 02:55:21.210 --> 02:55:23.612 legal representation, advice and other legal assistance to 02:55:23.746 --> 02:55:26.140 tenants facing eviction. Harassment disrepair. Another 02:55:26.649 --> 02:55:29.170 housing related issues, including an analysis of the 02:55:29.318 --> 02:55:30.718 right to counsel law within New York City's legal 02:55:32.620 --> 02:55:34.656 representation program. The landlord outreach plan would 02:55:34.923 --> 02:55:37.910 have the goal of expanding knowledge of tenant protections in the King County code to 02:55:39.361 --> 02:55:41.696 landlords. The legislation, if adopted, as is would take 02:55:42.300 --> 02:55:44.697 effect, 90 days after the effective date of the ordinance. 02:55:45.400 --> 02:55:48.335 Um that brings me to the end of my remarks on the underlying ordinance, and I'm happy to 02:55:48.502 --> 02:55:50.502 move on to a striking amendment 02:55:52.307 --> 02:55:54.675 one if there are no questions. MADAM Chair tells were done. 02:55:57.211 --> 02:55:59.513 Yeah has never done Thanks very much. Miranda. Thanks for the 02:55:59.614 --> 02:56:01.614 briefing. Can you repeat that 02:56:03.317 --> 02:56:04.951 portion about the. Restriction on reporting criminal activity. 02:56:06.587 --> 02:56:08.587 Um. On the premises or 02:56:10.891 --> 02:56:12.891 property. Uh, Sure, so there is 02:56:12.926 --> 02:56:15.590 a just cause that allows for eviction if there is criminal 02:56:15.762 --> 02:56:17.762 activity on the property, So it 02:56:17.831 --> 02:56:19.465 is a just cause. However right now there is a King County code 02:56:23.436 --> 02:56:25.971 12 47. That requires landlords to prevent criminal activity on 02:56:27.730 --> 02:56:28.674 the premises and report suspicion of criminal activity 02:56:29.742 --> 02:56:31.375 on the premises. Um and if the landlord does not report as is, 02:56:35.114 --> 02:56:37.614 um. As is currently in code. Uh the landlord could face civil 02:56:39.985 --> 02:56:41.618 penalties so this would remove remove that that provision in 02:56:43.654 --> 02:56:45.654 King County code 12 47. And 02:56:45.856 --> 02:56:48.360 instead just utilize the just cause allowing for eviction. Um 02:56:48.360 --> 02:56:50.360 due to criminal activity on the 02:56:54.650 --> 02:56:55.793 premises. Not sure it's clear to me. I'm going to ask for 02:56:58.236 --> 02:56:59.770 follow up requests. So if a. Landlord witnesses a crime 02:57:04.750 --> 02:57:06.750 occurring on the property. Be 02:57:09.480 --> 02:57:11.470 as cause to evict. She does, yes that Lennon would have 02:57:12.315 --> 02:57:14.315 obligated. He's not He's not 02:57:15.651 --> 02:57:17.385 obligated to report that crime. Correct There would be no 02:57:18.870 --> 02:57:20.655 affirmative requirement to report suspicion of criminal 02:57:20.655 --> 02:57:22.223 activity on the premises. If King County code 12 47 were 02:57:24.827 --> 02:57:26.928 removed. Okay. And do you know me for some of some of the child's being molested, for 02:57:29.310 --> 02:57:31.199 example? In a home and the landlords aware of it, they 02:57:31.199 --> 02:57:32.732 would have no affirmative requirement any longer to 02:57:34.569 --> 02:57:36.569 report that crime. There'd be 02:57:37.971 --> 02:57:40.874 no affirmative requirement now. Okay Do you know what state 02:57:41.276 --> 02:57:43.310 losses on that issue I'm leading up to. I want to know 02:57:43.444 --> 02:57:45.100 what if there's a state preemption issue on some of 02:57:47.515 --> 02:57:49.783 this stuff? Sure, so I'll have to follow up with you on 02:57:50.450 --> 02:57:53.219 exactly what is in state law. There's a comparable just cause 02:57:53.888 --> 02:57:55.588 regarding criminal activity. Um, in in state law, but I'll 02:57:57.658 --> 02:57:59.658 get you the exact language. 02:57:59.827 --> 02:58:01.827 Okay, so just as we're plugging 02:58:02.429 --> 02:58:05.265 this because I have multiple concerns in multiple areas here 02:58:05.265 --> 02:58:07.265 in this piece of legislation, 02:58:07.801 --> 02:58:10.469 and so I'm going to need legal counsel to be ready next week, if that is when we are actually 02:58:11.370 --> 02:58:12.604 going to vote on this, too. Address some of the issues I 02:58:15.800 --> 02:58:18.800 want to look at. And discuss an executive session if the chair 02:58:18.610 --> 02:58:21.446 will allow it are issues of constitutionality. Uh whether 02:58:22.882 --> 02:58:25.217 they're a state preemption or even some cases, federal preemption on some of this 02:58:25.217 --> 02:58:27.217 issues as well and I can be 02:58:28.187 --> 02:58:30.855 more specific for Staff and legal counsel as we get closer 02:58:31.323 --> 02:58:33.357 to that executive session, But what would help me from a 02:58:35.727 --> 02:58:38.596 policy perspective is, um. Little bit about. I don't know if it's something we can do, Miranda, but a crosswalk 02:58:41.466 --> 02:58:44.100 between. So the Washington State Landlord Tenant Act and 02:58:46.805 --> 02:58:49.406 how this changes. And makes county different or more 02:58:49.407 --> 02:58:52.207 restrictive. That would be really super helpful for a lot 02:58:52.977 --> 02:58:54.977 of people and probably reduce 02:58:54.979 --> 02:58:57.247 the confusion the call ins related to public testimony as well, Thanks for hearing me out 02:58:59.216 --> 02:59:01.216 manager. I have a crosswalk 02:59:01.285 --> 02:59:04.850 that I can send over and Christie Craig and Gina Kim are 02:59:05.870 --> 02:59:07.424 on the line of any, uh, legal follow up, of course, would have to occur an executive 02:59:07.424 --> 02:59:09.424 session, but she might be 02:59:10.600 --> 02:59:12.895 familiar with, uh. With anything in state law that goes 02:59:13.230 --> 02:59:14.763 beyond what is in this ordinance regarding, um, 02:59:19.768 --> 02:59:22.570 criminal activity. MADAM Chair. Remember Kohl-Welles. Thank you 02:59:23.773 --> 02:59:26.641 just to let Councilmember John note that constantly, Very soft 02:59:27.443 --> 02:59:30.245 Light and Lambert tonight now with legal counsel last Wednesday afternoon to go 02:59:33.682 --> 02:59:35.248 through. Everything on the proposal that they had 02:59:36.180 --> 02:59:37.919 questions about, especially with regard to state 02:59:42.890 --> 02:59:44.625 preemption. Good. I look forward to having a more thorough conversation and 02:59:45.627 --> 02:59:47.627 executive session. Thank you. 02:59:51.399 --> 02:59:53.399 Okay? Mm. Other questions. I 02:59:54.435 --> 02:59:56.403 would like to, uh, give APRIL to go ahead to brief the 02:59:57.672 --> 02:59:59.672 striker at this point. Please, 03:00:03.144 --> 03:00:05.345 Please go ahead. Striking amendment s one is in the Green 03:00:06.547 --> 03:00:08.748 folder beginning on Page six. It would add findings of fact 03:00:09.583 --> 03:00:11.851 to support various provisions. It would require a landlord to 03:00:11.952 --> 03:00:14.120 provide at least 30 days written notice to attendant 03:00:14.988 --> 03:00:17.890 when evicting, terminating or refused to refusing to renew a 03:00:18.492 --> 03:00:20.590 lease for a just cause, unless and longer notice period is 03:00:22.950 --> 03:00:24.696 required by state law. I would add a just cause for tenants 03:00:24.963 --> 03:00:26.899 who knowingly allow a vicious animal as declared by the 03:00:27.333 --> 03:00:29.769 director of the regional animal services section without 03:00:29.769 --> 03:00:31.971 written consent from the landlord or if an animal is 03:00:31.971 --> 03:00:33.971 declared vicious during the 03:00:34.874 --> 03:00:36.942 terms of the rental agreement. Would amend the cap on late 03:00:36.942 --> 03:00:38.942 fees from 1% to 1.5% of monthly 03:00:41.846 --> 03:00:43.414 rent. Would amend damages to three times monthly rent or 03:00:43.881 --> 03:00:45.516 double damages, plus costs and attorney's fees instead of 4.5. 03:00:47.252 --> 03:00:49.252 Times monthly rent. Would 03:00:49.388 --> 03:00:51.388 clarify that the provisions on 03:00:52.691 --> 03:00:54.826 uh not wave a landlord's remedy for nonpayment of rent if 03:00:54.826 --> 03:00:56.360 additional rent is outstanding, so for the prior breaches 03:00:58.129 --> 03:01:00.563 provisions. Would amend language that a landlord MAY 03:01:00.598 --> 03:01:02.199 request but not require a social Security number from a 03:01:04.680 --> 03:01:06.703 prospective tenant. It also adds the landlord shall not 03:01:07.138 --> 03:01:09.400 refuse to enter into a rental agreement with the perspective 03:01:10.390 --> 03:01:12.175 tenant because the rent the perspective tenant does not agreed to provide a social 03:01:14.780 --> 03:01:15.844 Security number. It would amend the requirement for the 03:01:16.180 --> 03:01:18.781 executive to develop a central phone number within d. C. H s 03:01:19.160 --> 03:01:20.616 and instead leaves the location and mechanism of the central 03:01:22.586 --> 03:01:24.653 phone number flexible. Would amend the due date of the 03:01:24.788 --> 03:01:26.788 tenant protections. Access plan 03:01:28.258 --> 03:01:30.492 to JUNE 30th 2022. It would eliminate the effective date 03:01:30.493 --> 03:01:32.794 provision. The ordinance would take effect in the normal 03:01:33.329 --> 03:01:35.764 course. And it would add a severability clause. 03:01:35.764 --> 03:01:38.660 Additionally it includes technical changes based on 03:01:38.334 --> 03:01:40.468 legal review and to reflect changes to state law during the 03:01:41.370 --> 03:01:43.471 legislative session, as well as to align definitions and language to more closely track 03:01:46.408 --> 03:01:48.276 r c w. Lastly I'd like to know that there's a technical 03:01:48.510 --> 03:01:51.112 amendment in the Green folder on page 25 that corrects 03:01:52.790 --> 03:01:54.115 terminology makes code advisor. Edits and fix his cross 03:01:54.350 --> 03:01:56.350 references, among other 03:01:56.517 --> 03:01:59.186 clarifications, these technical changes be incorporated into a new striking amendment for the 03:02:01.790 --> 03:02:04.250 22nd. And their additional line amendments, which I'm happy to brief now or unless there any 03:02:04.250 --> 03:02:06.250 questions on the striking 03:02:10.431 --> 03:02:11.932 amendment. Let's pause here and ask for questions on the 03:02:12.799 --> 03:02:14.799 striking amendment. Any 03:02:19.707 --> 03:02:22.800 questions? So I have to admit, I have a number of questions 03:02:22.910 --> 03:02:24.910 like a long number of a long 03:02:25.312 --> 03:02:27.346 list of questions because of things that we heard during 03:02:28.115 --> 03:02:29.582 public comment. I was interested to hear. My 03:02:31.551 --> 03:02:33.652 colleagues say that some of the. Questions in public comment 03:02:34.621 --> 03:02:36.189 might have been based on a misunderstanding of the 03:02:37.624 --> 03:02:40.258 proposal. Um, but just for example, because it's been talked about a lot, the 03:02:44.564 --> 03:02:46.564 background check. Issue. If 03:02:47.598 --> 03:02:49.598 this dry Kerr is adopted, that 03:02:49.969 --> 03:02:51.502 is where the prohibition on requiring Social Security 03:02:53.305 --> 03:02:56.390 number comes in correct. So that prohibition is in the 03:02:56.474 --> 03:02:58.474 underlying ordinance of the 03:02:58.577 --> 03:03:00.577 striking amendment changes that 03:03:01.966 --> 03:03:03.966 from a landlord MAY not request 03:03:07.109 --> 03:03:08.781 to a landlord MAY require or MAY request but not require. Okay. So in the striking amendment, a landlord could ask for a social security number 03:03:09.854 --> 03:03:12.589 but could not require it. As a practical matter. How does one 03:03:12.791 --> 03:03:14.791 do? Uh background check when 03:03:16.392 --> 03:03:18.392 screening a prospective tenant. 03:03:18.462 --> 03:03:21.131 Um, it could I know of a few options there. You know you. 03:03:21.298 --> 03:03:24.670 Kenya is a social security number currently to run a 03:03:24.902 --> 03:03:27.770 background check. I know their criminal check sites that don't 03:03:28.974 --> 03:03:31.410 require social security number you could ask about, you know 03:03:31.410 --> 03:03:33.410 previous references, things 03:03:34.760 --> 03:03:36.912 like that. But there. A number of options that landlords 03:03:37.713 --> 03:03:39.713 currently utilized so you could 03:03:40.830 --> 03:03:42.217 ask, you could ask prospective tenant to fill out a form that 03:03:42.652 --> 03:03:44.253 shares information about previous tendencies. Previous 03:03:44.753 --> 03:03:46.753 evictions, this sort of thing. 03:03:50.927 --> 03:03:52.527 Essentially like a Homemade. Background check and then have 03:03:55.300 --> 03:03:57.980 somebody check the answers. Correct And I know there are 03:03:58.632 --> 03:04:00.632 some sites that that conduct 03:04:00.634 --> 03:04:02.270 background checks that utilize names and previous addresses as 03:04:05.507 --> 03:04:07.507 well. Got it. Okay, um That's 03:04:11.880 --> 03:04:14.648 helpful. And then. Just um and again. I'm not sure if this is the underlying or the striker, 03:04:19.753 --> 03:04:22.354 but Adding just cause. At the point of deciding whether to 03:04:25.259 --> 03:04:27.259 renew and expiring tenancy. 03:04:27.593 --> 03:04:29.662 Does sound like an automatic renewal unless you have a 03:04:30.164 --> 03:04:32.398 reason to not renew, and that was sort of some of the complaint. We were hearing. But 03:04:32.566 --> 03:04:34.667 then I heard people say that's not the case. So could you help me to understand that 03:04:37.204 --> 03:04:39.204 situation? Sure, so absent a 03:04:39.840 --> 03:04:42.141 just cause a landlord would require be required to offer 03:04:44.100 --> 03:04:46.380 another lease to the to the tenant unless they had a just 03:04:46.780 --> 03:04:48.347 cause to satisfy. There are provisions such as you know, 03:04:51.484 --> 03:04:54.453 being able to Being able to increase rent, for instance, so 03:04:54.453 --> 03:04:57.422 the least terms aren't necessarily identical, But you would have to offer it a new 03:05:02.661 --> 03:05:04.661 lease. And what is the remedy 03:05:04.663 --> 03:05:06.663 if you offer dilemma offers a, 03:05:08.600 --> 03:05:11.369 uh, a reason to not renew and the tenant wants to contest 03:05:11.737 --> 03:05:13.237 that and say that that's not a ballad reasons. So, for 03:05:16.907 --> 03:05:19.276 example, Claim that I want to sell the property, but then I 03:05:20.780 --> 03:05:23.130 don't go on ahead and sell the property. It turns out that that was a fiction. What? 03:05:23.781 --> 03:05:25.781 What's the potential? Um, 03:05:27.750 --> 03:05:30.520 remedy there. Would have to be litigated in court. So there is 03:05:31.288 --> 03:05:34.124 language specifically for selling the property that 03:05:35.559 --> 03:05:37.559 requires the landlord to, uh 03:05:38.395 --> 03:05:41.197 like, uh, Put that information like, uh, the house for sale in a newspaper of general 03:05:44.534 --> 03:05:46.534 circulation. And there is a 03:05:46.870 --> 03:05:49.138 remedy, um, to allow for the judge to decide if the just 03:05:52.809 --> 03:05:54.809 cause was not carried out. Mhm. 03:05:58.581 --> 03:06:00.916 Okay. Um it was, um. Thinking about and hurt some testimony 03:06:02.218 --> 03:06:04.218 about the idea of having 03:06:06.555 --> 03:06:09.123 Different standards. Especially in a detailed piece of legislation like this from 03:06:09.124 --> 03:06:11.926 jurisdiction to jurisdiction. So the state says one thing the 03:06:12.261 --> 03:06:14.562 county says something else are major city says something else. Smaller cities say something 03:06:18.166 --> 03:06:20.935 else. And if you are. Either landlord or a tenant who's 03:06:22.904 --> 03:06:25.390 moving across, uh, lines. You could easily find yourself 03:06:25.390 --> 03:06:27.390 subject to different rules. Do 03:06:28.276 --> 03:06:30.943 we have a sense of. How this legislation compares to at 03:06:31.120 --> 03:06:33.780 least the state in the city of Seattle. Compared to you know, 03:06:34.315 --> 03:06:37.283 I mean, we could look at maybe smaller jurisdictions like Buring as well, who have sort 03:06:38.850 --> 03:06:39.686 of more mature type landlord tenant protections. Do we? Do 03:06:41.889 --> 03:06:44.230 we have that information? Yeah, And I also have it in a 03:06:44.230 --> 03:06:46.230 crosswalk that I'm happy to 03:06:46.225 --> 03:06:48.361 send. But just in summary sort of the high level, Uh, the 03:06:48.562 --> 03:06:50.963 additional tenant protections that I mentioned after a just 03:06:53.733 --> 03:06:55.334 cause are not in largely not in state law and not in the city 03:06:57.570 --> 03:07:00.272 of Seattle, either. For the city of Seattle. Just causes 03:07:00.273 --> 03:07:02.574 were only required for terminating month among 03:07:02.975 --> 03:07:05.677 tendencies, so they did not include extreme least renewal. 03:07:06.579 --> 03:07:08.813 And at the state level with house Bill 12 36 that pass and 03:07:10.782 --> 03:07:12.782 let this legislative session. 03:07:13.850 --> 03:07:15.190 Just causes would be required for all month to month 03:07:15.786 --> 03:07:18.556 tendencies and fixed term leases. Only if that fixed term 03:07:18.690 --> 03:07:20.690 lease either didn't include a, 03:07:23.861 --> 03:07:25.861 uh. Provision that defaults the 03:07:25.897 --> 03:07:27.998 least hold him from fixed term two month a month at the end of 03:07:30.602 --> 03:07:33.370 the fixed term lease. Um or if you have not extended the lease, 03:07:35.573 --> 03:07:37.106 um at least once so just causes would only be required for 03:07:40.543 --> 03:07:42.712 certain fixed term tendencies. Yeah, I read that. I read that 03:07:42.713 --> 03:07:45.180 part of your staff report. I have to say that provisions in 03:07:45.916 --> 03:07:48.851 state like very confusing and I'd have to think about it a little bit too sort of, like, 03:07:49.520 --> 03:07:51.854 envision the situation they were talking about, Because I 03:07:51.989 --> 03:07:54.156 just I couldn't really wrap my brain around it quickly. Just 03:07:54.558 --> 03:07:57.359 reading through it along with everything else. I guess I 03:07:58.600 --> 03:08:00.398 would join in the request for a crosswalk. It sure would be nice to see these things side 03:08:00.398 --> 03:08:02.398 by side so we could see 03:08:05.201 --> 03:08:07.569 differences. Um. There's really a benefit to some level of 03:08:11.908 --> 03:08:13.908 uniformity. Um. And I mean 03:08:13.976 --> 03:08:15.976 uniformity is not the only goal 03:08:16.245 --> 03:08:18.546 obviously, and I suppose I should have prefaced my 03:08:19.815 --> 03:08:22.582 comments by saying I understand, uh, when I was listening to the gentleman asking, what's What's 03:08:25.190 --> 03:08:27.190 the goal here? I think the goal 03:08:29.900 --> 03:08:31.900 is to provide more stability 03:08:32.394 --> 03:08:34.394 for tenants in their homes. 03:08:35.430 --> 03:08:37.496 It's to set a baseline. That's different than the baseline 03:08:37.966 --> 03:08:39.966 that we have been accustomed 03:08:40.802 --> 03:08:42.436 to. Which is that While most landlords MAY not take 03:08:43.204 --> 03:08:45.572 advantage of the opportunity to do so, they have the right to 03:08:45.640 --> 03:08:48.209 kick people out at any time for no reason at all, and that that 03:08:48.209 --> 03:08:50.209 instability in people's homes, 03:08:53.179 --> 03:08:55.179 especially. In the market that 03:08:57.551 --> 03:08:59.785 we are living in, Um. Really can be extraordinarily do 03:09:01.121 --> 03:09:03.522 stabilizing it is, you know, And you mean to the people who 03:09:05.759 --> 03:09:08.494 are experiencing it and. And as a social matter, just sort of 03:09:10.330 --> 03:09:12.330 like is at a macro level. It uh 03:09:13.199 --> 03:09:15.199 it's very socially costly. And 03:09:17.203 --> 03:09:19.203 so, uh, finding a balance where. 03:09:21.339 --> 03:09:23.339 We are sort of acknowledging 03:09:24.430 --> 03:09:25.643 the role, but that landlords play in providing a healthy 03:09:29.380 --> 03:09:31.749 housing market. While also providing more stability for 03:09:31.783 --> 03:09:34.552 people in their tendencies is extremely important. And the 03:09:35.453 --> 03:09:37.988 question here is where do you strike that balance like? Is this the right balance? Or is 03:09:39.924 --> 03:09:42.726 there are there things that. That requires some some further 03:09:44.762 --> 03:09:47.564 thought, Um, anyway, that's not a question. I'm speaking to it, 03:09:47.598 --> 03:09:49.799 but I just wanted to make sure that as I asked my questions, people here where I'm coming 03:09:52.103 --> 03:09:54.437 from, I just I have. I'd like to know what I'm what I'm 03:09:55.500 --> 03:09:57.874 voting on before I vote on it, and, uh And that's why I asked 03:09:58.742 --> 03:10:01.110 the questions that I do. Um thank you for pointing out the 03:10:01.110 --> 03:10:02.977 recommendation from the regional Affordable housing 03:10:03.780 --> 03:10:06.482 task force. This was a really important we only had eight 03:10:07.784 --> 03:10:10.119 major areas of recommendation, and one of them was housing 03:10:10.720 --> 03:10:12.321 stability in the form of tenant protections was a major major 03:10:14.424 --> 03:10:16.424 recommendation. And unanimous 03:10:17.260 --> 03:10:19.928 recommendation of that body. So it's something that this this 03:10:21.696 --> 03:10:24.131 council has been signaling is important to us for a long time, 03:10:24.567 --> 03:10:26.670 So I don't think this should be a surprise that there's 03:10:28.470 --> 03:10:30.470 legislation. Being proposed. 03:10:30.539 --> 03:10:33.308 Okay uh, they're my speech and my questions. I MAY have more, 03:10:33.308 --> 03:10:35.308 but I want to stop there any 03:10:35.576 --> 03:10:37.176 other questions on the striker? Before we hear about the line 03:10:39.470 --> 03:10:41.182 of minutes? Hawaii County member Zahilay Please go ahead. 03:10:42.150 --> 03:10:44.485 Thank you, MADAM Chair. I don't want to belabor the point, but 03:10:44.651 --> 03:10:47.388 I do think it's really important to clarify because 03:10:47.388 --> 03:10:49.388 there is so much misinformation 03:10:49.958 --> 03:10:52.326 out there, so I want to ask a series of questions just to make sure that everybody 03:10:54.280 --> 03:10:56.930 listening is on the same page. APRIL Can you help me 03:10:57.264 --> 03:10:58.999 understand? Does this legislation banned the use of 03:11:01.835 --> 03:11:04.738 credit history and screening? Um no, that's that's protected 03:11:04.738 --> 03:11:06.305 in the state law to allow landlords to, um to screen 03:11:11.678 --> 03:11:14.647 tenants. And is that fact based on an amendment or has that 03:11:14.981 --> 03:11:16.582 always been the case in this legislation even prior to any 03:11:20.510 --> 03:11:22.387 amendments? In the underlying and the striking amendment. Um 03:11:24.123 --> 03:11:26.490 it deals with that ability the same, so it does not strike the 03:11:27.360 --> 03:11:28.927 ability in state law to screen tenants. Salt landlords can 03:11:31.329 --> 03:11:33.930 still scream. Tenants based on their credit history. Does this 03:11:34.633 --> 03:11:37.168 legislation ban criminal background checks on tenants? 03:11:40.439 --> 03:11:42.439 No, it does not. Does this 03:11:43.475 --> 03:11:45.475 legislation? Um, allow criminal 03:11:46.978 --> 03:11:48.979 activity on the premises? It would allow the landlord to 03:11:49.147 --> 03:11:51.147 evict or terminated tendency 03:11:52.117 --> 03:11:53.684 based on criminal activity. Does this legislation allow 03:11:56.486 --> 03:11:58.887 tenants to not pay rent? It would allow the landlord still 03:12:00.258 --> 03:12:02.258 to pursue a pair enter vacate 03:12:02.660 --> 03:12:04.695 notice, and, uh, effect based or evict or fail to renew of 03:12:04.695 --> 03:12:06.695 extremely due to non payment of 03:12:08.330 --> 03:12:10.330 rent. Thank you. Business 03:12:10.434 --> 03:12:12.603 legislation apply to people who own properties solely in the 03:12:12.603 --> 03:12:14.603 city of Seattle or other 03:12:15.605 --> 03:12:17.106 incorporated cities. No, its jurisdiction is just an 03:12:20.609 --> 03:12:22.912 unincorporated areas. Um this one? I probably won't ask you 03:12:24.481 --> 03:12:27.282 off, save myself, But there are also a lot of people saying 03:12:27.649 --> 03:12:29.250 this legislation was rushed through with no engagement and 03:12:32.588 --> 03:12:34.556 no thought. Do you know? Offhand APRIL when this legislation was first 03:12:36.592 --> 03:12:38.592 introduced. I'll help you out 03:12:39.762 --> 03:12:41.762 challenge. Oh, sure. I uh you 03:12:41.864 --> 03:12:44.632 know, at MARCH? Yes I believe it is introduced in MARCH. It 03:12:44.635 --> 03:12:46.635 was first introduced in MARCH 03:12:48.300 --> 03:12:50.710 16 and we're now in JUNE council member Kohl-Welles and 03:12:50.372 --> 03:12:53.274 I have had multiple meetings with landlord associations. Landlord lobbyist Small 03:12:57.579 --> 03:12:59.579 landlord gone. Um. Just because 03:13:00.247 --> 03:13:02.916 you disagree with a policy does not mean you can say it was 03:13:03.251 --> 03:13:06.530 rushed through with no engagement. Obviously you can 03:13:06.530 --> 03:13:07.686 disagree. We can all disagree on policy, and we can talk that 03:13:10.123 --> 03:13:12.592 through. That does not mean that this was rushed. That does 03:13:12.925 --> 03:13:14.925 not. That does not mean that no 03:13:19.266 --> 03:13:20.765 one was engaged. Um. But if you have questions about the 03:13:23.170 --> 03:13:26.380 urgency. You know, it might feel the urgency of the 03:13:26.640 --> 03:13:28.640 legislation might seem like 03:13:29.242 --> 03:13:31.878 rushing to you. Well, there's a good reason for that. The 03:13:31.878 --> 03:13:33.412 eviction moratorium is set to expire at the end of this 03:13:36.881 --> 03:13:38.881 month. Covid crisis can quickly 03:13:40.386 --> 03:13:43.254 shift and become an eviction crisis. Thousands of people are 03:13:43.422 --> 03:13:45.422 at risk of being pushed out of 03:13:46.592 --> 03:13:49.460 their homes for no reason. Again as the as the data 03:13:50.297 --> 03:13:52.297 pointed out to you, there is so 03:13:52.563 --> 03:13:54.310 much no cause eviction happening in on urban 03:13:54.800 --> 03:13:56.800 unincorporated King County. 03:14:00.272 --> 03:14:02.272 Region often Uh, Complains 03:14:02.974 --> 03:14:04.541 about has concerns about takes issue with the fact that we 03:14:06.110 --> 03:14:08.110 have a Booming homelessness 03:14:09.981 --> 03:14:11.981 crisis. Well, yeah, this is 03:14:12.160 --> 03:14:14.751 very much connected to that the cheapest way the most effective 03:14:15.519 --> 03:14:18.354 way of preventing homelessness is stopping it from happening 03:14:19.623 --> 03:14:21.257 in the first place. So given our housing crisis, given the 03:14:24.610 --> 03:14:26.610 covid crisis. Given our 03:14:26.596 --> 03:14:28.596 homelessness crisis we are 03:14:28.764 --> 03:14:30.933 acting with urgency to make sure that people are not kicked out of their homes for no 03:14:33.269 --> 03:14:35.269 reason. We're providing tenant 03:14:38.508 --> 03:14:40.810 protections. To provide housing, continuity and housing 03:14:40.810 --> 03:14:42.810 stability for thousands of 03:14:43.946 --> 03:14:46.715 people across King County. And if people want to disagree with 03:14:47.983 --> 03:14:50.283 certain policies, absolutely. Let's let's have that 03:14:50.286 --> 03:14:52.286 disagreement. Let's have that 03:14:52.288 --> 03:14:53.888 discussion, but the vast majority of the things that we 03:14:56.225 --> 03:14:58.225 heard in public comment. Were 03:14:59.227 --> 03:15:01.228 based on misinformation and just like I mentioned during 03:15:02.300 --> 03:15:04.565 public comment, I don't blame the small landlords who came on 03:15:05.900 --> 03:15:07.900 and believe those things. I 03:15:10.471 --> 03:15:12.500 blame. The rental Housing Association for spreading 03:15:15.209 --> 03:15:17.611 misinformation. So I just wanted to say those things before we move on to line 03:15:18.212 --> 03:15:20.212 amendments. Thank you so much. 03:15:20.848 --> 03:15:22.848 MADAM. Sure. Let's remember 03:15:25.318 --> 03:15:27.820 Lambert. Thank you, Um, have a few questions. Um and then later on and like to make some 03:15:31.156 --> 03:15:33.627 comments. First of all, Um, I do believe this was a rushed 03:15:33.627 --> 03:15:35.627 the legislation. Um, and the 03:15:38.632 --> 03:15:40.632 reason for that. Is that hb 12 03:15:42.302 --> 03:15:44.302 36 was not passed and tell the 03:15:44.938 --> 03:15:47.638 session ended, so I don't remember the exact day session 03:15:47.707 --> 03:15:49.709 and then maybe somebody does think was APRIL said, really 03:15:49.709 --> 03:15:51.709 know what they was the last day 03:15:53.513 --> 03:15:55.113 of the session. And then how many days The governor has to 03:15:59.585 --> 03:16:02.553 sign it, so. It's that was part of the issue. Second issue was 03:16:02.688 --> 03:16:04.688 that are legal staff needed 03:16:06.258 --> 03:16:08.258 time to evaluate 12 36. And in 03:16:08.927 --> 03:16:11.896 order to do that they found 16 pages of things that they thought we needed to review. 03:16:14.165 --> 03:16:16.165 That meeting was health. As 03:16:16.501 --> 03:16:18.501 Council member, Kohl-Welles 03:16:19.203 --> 03:16:21.203 said among Kohl-Welles Graham I 03:16:21.406 --> 03:16:24.107 as a holiday and I for two hours and three minutes last 03:16:25.743 --> 03:16:27.343 week, um it was either two or three days beyond the time we 03:16:29.680 --> 03:16:31.848 had gotten the legal review. In those two hours and three 03:16:31.949 --> 03:16:33.949 minutes. There were many 03:16:34.485 --> 03:16:37.453 complicated decisions that had long term impacts that were 03:16:38.622 --> 03:16:40.622 discussed. I have not seen 03:16:41.570 --> 03:16:43.293 since Wednesday. Um nor do we know if it exists the answer. 03:16:43.293 --> 03:16:45.293 Well, you know, it doesn't 03:16:45.929 --> 03:16:48.640 exist yet. The answers. To those questions and how they 03:16:48.640 --> 03:16:50.640 were implemented into the new 03:16:53.569 --> 03:16:56.504 striker. So I don't know if 80% of them are taking care or 50% 03:16:57.440 --> 03:16:59.341 of them. We need a side by side to figure out how that all 03:17:02.645 --> 03:17:04.979 happened. So it was not. It was not held back. There was no 03:17:08.283 --> 03:17:10.283 playing games. It was put out 03:17:10.852 --> 03:17:13.487 on a very clear plan of what the timing was going to be 03:17:14.320 --> 03:17:16.320 based on what the state was 03:17:16.723 --> 03:17:18.723 going to do. And what our legal 03:17:20.326 --> 03:17:23.128 counsel said needed to be done. Until the legal counsel had 03:17:25.331 --> 03:17:27.331 decided that and until we 03:17:27.500 --> 03:17:29.500 discuss those changes, there 03:17:31.570 --> 03:17:33.905 really was not a good time or I don't think it's prudent to 03:17:34.339 --> 03:17:36.339 vote on something that your 03:17:36.542 --> 03:17:39.477 legal fastened you 16 pages of saying, Oops, you need to think 03:17:40.110 --> 03:17:42.110 about these things. I don't 03:17:43.448 --> 03:17:45.448 know a time. Other than, um, 03:17:45.850 --> 03:17:48.585 Welfare reform or a couple of others. I can count on one hand 03:17:49.254 --> 03:17:51.254 where I saw 16 pages of issues 03:17:54.425 --> 03:17:56.326 that were brought up. So, um, I do believe that the citizens 03:17:57.662 --> 03:17:59.662 who don't have privy to all 03:17:59.764 --> 03:18:02.532 that are confused, um, have a reason to be confused. I also 03:18:03.133 --> 03:18:04.767 not used to having any one particular group. He called out 03:18:07.437 --> 03:18:10.206 for being this informant. Um The other thing is that I don't 03:18:11.742 --> 03:18:13.876 understand. Um clearly after hearing all the testimony today, 03:18:16.545 --> 03:18:18.480 the issues on fixed term. If you have so counselor for 03:18:21.417 --> 03:18:23.510 staff, here's the question. If you have a rental agreement for 03:18:25.855 --> 03:18:28.357 a year. And at the end of the year, So both of you thank 03:18:28.357 --> 03:18:30.357 tenant and landlord has signed 03:18:31.327 --> 03:18:33.327 a one year lease. At the end of 03:18:34.463 --> 03:18:36.798 one year, the landlord size. Turn this up, and I want to 03:18:38.866 --> 03:18:40.866 rent to somebody else. Can they 03:18:42.237 --> 03:18:44.405 do that under the new striker? You would be required to our 03:18:45.640 --> 03:18:48.242 landlord to be able required to have a just cause for not 03:18:49.943 --> 03:18:52.112 running a fixed term lease. So you know, I think that and I hadn't heard it brought up 03:18:54.147 --> 03:18:56.949 before, but that. Maybe that today and has money. She has a 03:18:57.351 --> 03:18:59.351 point that under the quartering 03:19:00.321 --> 03:19:02.456 law and the this amendment. That's interesting. I hadn't 03:19:02.456 --> 03:19:04.456 thought about it from that 03:19:05.159 --> 03:19:07.795 aspect. Um if you own property, you should have the right to 03:19:07.795 --> 03:19:09.795 decide at the end of my 03:19:11.432 --> 03:19:13.933 agreement with Person x. That they can't come back and say 03:19:14.340 --> 03:19:16.868 you have to have the same agreement me next year. We 03:19:17.671 --> 03:19:20.206 don't do that with Lisa's that we have. We put escalating 03:19:20.206 --> 03:19:21.740 clauses that the end of the term if you want to do it 03:19:24.911 --> 03:19:26.911 again. That we give x 03:19:27.247 --> 03:19:29.247 percentage crease in the, um in 03:19:29.248 --> 03:19:31.248 the cost. We as a county don't 03:19:31.651 --> 03:19:33.651 do that. And yet we're telling 03:19:34.185 --> 03:19:35.754 people that that is not allowed under this unless there are 03:19:37.822 --> 03:19:40.725 very specific reasons. The other issue that I'm not sure 03:19:42.226 --> 03:19:43.761 about in looking at the final One was the final current 03:19:46.999 --> 03:19:48.999 striker, Um. We have a variety 03:19:49.134 --> 03:19:51.134 of issues on habitual failure. 03:19:51.369 --> 03:19:53.369 Where did we land on habitual 03:19:53.838 --> 03:19:56.505 failure? Because in some parts we talked about that. You have 03:19:57.409 --> 03:19:59.444 to give somebody three and other times we talk about four 03:19:59.444 --> 03:20:01.444 chances to get the 10 day 03:20:04.480 --> 03:20:06.480 notice to comply. And then if 03:20:06.150 --> 03:20:08.150 you do comply by the end of the 03:20:09.153 --> 03:20:11.121 term, then they can't use that as a reason to say. You know 03:20:11.689 --> 03:20:14.623 what? Four times I've had to tell you this year. You owe your rent and so I don't want 03:20:16.727 --> 03:20:18.727 to rent to you again. Where did 03:20:20.497 --> 03:20:22.933 habitual failure um land. So neither the underlying 03:20:22.933 --> 03:20:24.933 ordinance nor the striking 03:20:25.335 --> 03:20:27.469 amendment have speak to habitual failure, so you'd be 03:20:28.938 --> 03:20:30.907 able to evict based on uh, after submitting a compiler 03:20:31.274 --> 03:20:33.443 vacate notice, for instance, if there is a lack of compliance 03:20:33.443 --> 03:20:35.443 with the material term of the 03:20:37.178 --> 03:20:38.814 rental agreement. But it habitual failure is not, uh, in 03:20:40.716 --> 03:20:42.716 the ordinance. Or the stro in 03:20:44.987 --> 03:20:46.620 Is it a just. Because so how many times can a person be late 03:20:48.422 --> 03:20:50.422 on their red? For a landlord to 03:20:52.794 --> 03:20:55.661 say That's too many. So a landlord could submit a payer 03:20:55.997 --> 03:20:57.997 vacate noticed after not 03:20:58.967 --> 03:21:01.869 receiving rent, but her visual failure is not addressed in this ordinance. Okay, so if the 03:21:05.773 --> 03:21:07.975 landlord says. That I had to do that. I don't want to do that. 03:21:09.430 --> 03:21:11.577 I expect you to work with me. And at the end of the term, 03:21:12.246 --> 03:21:14.881 they say, I don't want to rent to you because I had issued that that would be legal or 03:21:17.160 --> 03:21:19.452 not. They go into this. I'm sorry. Don't quite understand your question. If you can ask 03:21:22.322 --> 03:21:25.124 that one more time. Sure. Um So if a landlord sends a 10 day 03:21:26.693 --> 03:21:28.693 notice to comply And they can 03:21:32.265 --> 03:21:33.898 play. Two months later. So the landlord's been out for a while 03:21:35.769 --> 03:21:37.769 with their money. And then at 03:21:38.838 --> 03:21:40.838 the end of the least a year. 03:21:41.139 --> 03:21:43.408 For instance, they say, I don't want to rent to you again 03:21:43.809 --> 03:21:46.745 because I had to go through the work of doing a 10 day notice. 03:21:48.114 --> 03:21:50.715 Um and so I don't want to do that. And so I'm not going to read to you again. Is that 03:21:53.452 --> 03:21:55.955 legal under this? So there would be no just cause at the 03:21:56.121 --> 03:21:58.121 end of that fixed term leads to 03:21:58.357 --> 03:22:00.657 say you haven't You've, uh, failed to pay rent on time, 03:22:00.992 --> 03:22:03.694 four times or five times There would be no number, however, if 03:22:03.728 --> 03:22:06.563 you submitted to pay, rent or vacate notice to the tenant and 03:22:06.865 --> 03:22:09.366 they fail to comply, you could evict or failed to renew, if 03:22:10.100 --> 03:22:12.100 extremely, so. How long could 03:22:12.370 --> 03:22:14.710 they be in arrearages? Could they not pay for three months 03:22:15.673 --> 03:22:18.574 And then the day before? At least is upset. Okay I'm gonna 03:22:18.843 --> 03:22:21.511 pay all the money now and then, generally a pair vacate notice 03:22:22.479 --> 03:22:24.380 is gosh, I believe three days so they'd have that amount of 03:22:24.481 --> 03:22:25.982 time to pay or else they would they could be evicted or 03:22:28.285 --> 03:22:30.287 terminated. Tendency. Have we checked with the court to see, 03:22:30.287 --> 03:22:32.287 Um, the availability of court 03:22:34.157 --> 03:22:35.656 time for this? Um quotes are telling me that they are 03:22:37.961 --> 03:22:39.961 potentially four years behind. 03:22:41.398 --> 03:22:44.131 And felonies and, um. The process already costing 03:22:45.568 --> 03:22:47.568 King County $7500 to go through 03:22:48.136 --> 03:22:50.105 the eviction process. So first of all, that's very expensive. 03:22:50.940 --> 03:22:53.274 And secondly is the court is saying they can't get phone 03:22:53.909 --> 03:22:55.976 he's done for four years. The Where is that going to meet the 03:22:58.480 --> 03:23:00.480 civil issues that are not. A 03:23:00.949 --> 03:23:03.850 priority over the felonies. So there there are some issues 03:23:03.850 --> 03:23:05.850 here that I can understand why 03:23:05.821 --> 03:23:07.288 people might be concerned. Thank you, MADAM Chair 03:23:11.910 --> 03:23:13.910 MADAM Chair. MADAM Chair 03:23:14.129 --> 03:23:16.630 recalls. Thank you, Uh, I would appreciate we've seen some 03:23:17.310 --> 03:23:19.310 clarification from APRIL as 03:23:19.834 --> 03:23:22.469 well. Based on what comes to member Lambert got out with 03:23:24.805 --> 03:23:26.406 regard to fix term leases the just cause provisions it's not 03:23:30.440 --> 03:23:32.811 met. Proposed ordinance, as I understand it would require 03:23:32.880 --> 03:23:34.880 that a new lease agreement be 03:23:35.414 --> 03:23:37.383 provided to the current tenant. But isn't it the case that the 03:23:39.519 --> 03:23:41.519 landlord could choose? She 03:23:41.755 --> 03:23:44.524 raised to this play at this point or change the length of 03:23:44.524 --> 03:23:46.146 the rent either the month to month or a different length of 03:23:49.764 --> 03:23:52.730 time. Correct so you could you could still raise rent or 03:23:55.333 --> 03:23:57.102 change at least terms. Um but you'd still have to provide 03:23:57.737 --> 03:24:00.472 that option to the tenant to have an additional fixed firmly 03:24:00.873 --> 03:24:03.541 that have winter months. Monthly's depending on not have 03:24:03.608 --> 03:24:06.440 to be the same agreement that had existed. That except Thank 03:24:13.618 --> 03:24:16.553 you. Uh huh. Mhm. I'd like to ask. APRIL two. Brief this the 03:24:17.422 --> 03:24:19.791 line amendments that we have so far and then talk about process 03:24:19.791 --> 03:24:21.791 money forward. We are not 03:24:22.327 --> 03:24:25.950 taking a vote today. I do hear questions and a desire for review and a number of ways. So 03:24:27.365 --> 03:24:29.766 let's get the final. Pieces that we have today. Briefed and 03:24:30.100 --> 03:24:32.100 then we can talk about next 03:24:32.203 --> 03:24:34.369 steps. Go ahead, bro. Sure so already touched on the 03:24:34.605 --> 03:24:37.405 technical amendment that it is an amendment one in the Green folder, so I'll jump to 03:24:40.609 --> 03:24:42.609 amendments to Three and four 03:24:42.846 --> 03:24:45.646 from counting were Lambert and those begin on page 29 of the 03:24:46.480 --> 03:24:48.717 Green folder. The First Amendment would remove the cap 03:24:50.850 --> 03:24:51.720 on late fees, which is 1% in the underlying at 1.5% of the 03:24:54.624 --> 03:24:56.858 striking amendment. The second one would amend the just cause 03:24:57.693 --> 03:25:00.629 related to occupancy in excess of county code, um, to not 03:25:01.397 --> 03:25:03.397 require a notice and order from 03:25:04.966 --> 03:25:06.901 permitting in order to utilize that just caused. And the third 03:25:07.436 --> 03:25:10.380 would reduce overall damages from double damages or three 03:25:10.839 --> 03:25:13.307 times monthly rent, which is what is in the striking 03:25:14.443 --> 03:25:16.877 amendment to damages or three times monthly rent, whichever 03:25:17.479 --> 03:25:19.480 is greater and reduces damages for use of social security 03:25:20.348 --> 03:25:23.183 number from double damages or one month's rent to damages or 03:25:23.184 --> 03:25:24.785 one month's rent, whichever is greater, so it takes out that 03:25:27.722 --> 03:25:29.756 double in the double damages. And those are all of the amendments that I have to 03:25:35.528 --> 03:25:37.129 share. You hear a muted I don't care Mention so well was doing 03:25:40.350 --> 03:25:42.269 so well. No no, We're not doing motions today. But I don't know 03:25:42.269 --> 03:25:44.304 if you wanted to say anything about the amendments, 03:25:44.304 --> 03:25:46.304 counseling whatever. I think 03:25:46.540 --> 03:25:48.540 there's one more. Um Did you 03:25:49.242 --> 03:25:51.242 breathe the one about having 03:25:51.778 --> 03:25:53.778 to, um, get a notice from, um 03:25:56.217 --> 03:25:58.350 From permitting. Yes that is the second one. But I'm happy 03:25:58.818 --> 03:26:01.586 to brief again. If that's awful. That's when I wrote it, So I'm familiar with it, but I 03:26:03.823 --> 03:26:06.191 thought there were three Yes. The first would remove the cap 03:26:07.260 --> 03:26:09.326 on late fees. The second is the occupancy standards that you 03:26:10.290 --> 03:26:12.897 mentioned and the third is reducing damages. Okay Great. I just want to make sure that all 03:26:13.499 --> 03:26:15.499 three were there. Thank you. 03:26:17.802 --> 03:26:20.137 Okay, uh, Members any other questions or comments before we 03:26:21.373 --> 03:26:22.974 talk next steps, I'm sure Remember McDermott, please go 03:26:25.944 --> 03:26:27.944 ahead. Thank you, MADAM Chair. 03:26:28.146 --> 03:26:30.146 I too want to respond to a few 03:26:30.415 --> 03:26:33.383 issues and comments that have been made today, both during public comment and during, um 03:26:37.288 --> 03:26:38.921 discussion. Um first, I want to respond to the suggestion that 03:26:40.891 --> 03:26:43.593 this has been rushed. I couldn't disagree more. It's 03:26:44.395 --> 03:26:46.161 come to members. All I stated this was introduced on MAY on 03:26:48.298 --> 03:26:50.298 MARCH 16th. Three months later. 03:26:51.769 --> 03:26:53.769 We sit here. Um with moratoria 03:26:57.608 --> 03:27:00.409 ending And the need to act. We knew that this was introduced 03:27:01.843 --> 03:27:03.843 as the Legislature took up its 03:27:04.247 --> 03:27:06.248 work, and the legislation was only scheduled by the committee 03:27:08.180 --> 03:27:10.886 chair on APRIL 26th. And then after briefings and at the very end of the meeting with minutes 03:27:12.921 --> 03:27:14.921 left. 10 minutes left before 03:27:17.358 --> 03:27:18.927 the meeting was adjourned. MAY 12th that wasn't even on the 03:27:22.331 --> 03:27:23.931 schedule. And then last week, it was brought up again at the 03:27:26.335 --> 03:27:28.636 end of the meeting. When asked about when it might be 03:27:29.370 --> 03:27:31.540 scheduled for action, the committee chair said If there 03:27:31.540 --> 03:27:33.540 was agreement between her and 03:27:34.676 --> 03:27:36.977 the prime sponsor. That's when we moved it out of committee 03:27:37.413 --> 03:27:40.113 without recommendation because it seemed to be stalling in 03:27:41.150 --> 03:27:43.682 committee. I'm sorry we didn't do more working Committee. Um 03:27:43.951 --> 03:27:45.552 but we will get the work done here. Make sure that it's done 03:27:49.557 --> 03:27:51.724 and done well. Um to the suggestion that it was rushed 03:27:52.993 --> 03:27:54.993 by, um, the rental Housing 03:27:55.429 --> 03:27:58.264 Association of Washington. I met with them. I met with them 03:28:00.701 --> 03:28:02.701 on MAY six that my initiation. 03:28:03.170 --> 03:28:05.504 And in that meeting, asked for suggestions. It was clear to 03:28:07.600 --> 03:28:09.600 me, They said as much that they 03:28:09.175 --> 03:28:11.510 would not, um they could not see themselves to anyway to 03:28:14.480 --> 03:28:16.280 supporting the legislation. There were items that could be 03:28:17.183 --> 03:28:19.183 done and adopted that they 03:28:19.485 --> 03:28:22.220 would provide that would make it perhaps less objectionable. 03:28:23.220 --> 03:28:24.656 I want to be clear they never suggested they could come to a 03:28:26.425 --> 03:28:27.925 supportive position. But items that could make it less 03:28:30.794 --> 03:28:33.431 objectionable. That was an army. That conversation took 03:28:35.367 --> 03:28:37.367 place on 96th. I asked for them 03:28:38.603 --> 03:28:40.605 list. I reminded them. I received it on Friday only 03:28:40.605 --> 03:28:42.605 after the legislation had moved 03:28:47.412 --> 03:28:49.412 out of committee. As a member of the Rental Housing Association of Washington 03:28:52.783 --> 03:28:54.783 myself. I appreciate their work 03:28:55.850 --> 03:28:57.420 to educate their members on, um issues affecting landlords and 03:28:58.754 --> 03:29:01.524 tenants, But as a member, I expect that information to be 03:29:01.692 --> 03:29:03.692 accurate and fair, and that has 03:29:06.496 --> 03:29:09.265 not been the case. Let me say two. I'm instances from their 03:29:09.866 --> 03:29:12.501 action alert to their members. On Friday at least two 03:29:13.350 --> 03:29:14.635 statements to me do not meet the standard that I would hold 03:29:17.907 --> 03:29:19.976 that association to First female, including a statement 03:29:19.976 --> 03:29:21.710 that landlords would be required to quote renew leases 03:29:25.982 --> 03:29:28.315 indefinitely. Not correct if attendant is found to engage in 03:29:29.451 --> 03:29:32.120 any actions included me in either state law or this 03:29:32.655 --> 03:29:34.890 legislation under consideration. It is within the power of the 03:29:34.890 --> 03:29:37.758 landlord did choose not to renew. At least with that 03:29:40.829 --> 03:29:42.829 tenant. Not redoing must be 03:29:43.765 --> 03:29:45.765 with just cause it doesn't say 03:29:47.535 --> 03:29:49.670 forced renewal. It's just cause. Let's look at the name of the 03:29:49.937 --> 03:29:52.239 legislation. Understand You don't have to like it, but 03:29:52.807 --> 03:29:55.442 let's be fair and accurate about it. And the second 03:29:56.750 --> 03:29:58.945 statement is that would quote from the email that the rental 03:29:58.946 --> 03:30:01.480 House Rental Housing Association of Washington sent 03:30:01.480 --> 03:30:03.480 to their members on Friday 03:30:05.619 --> 03:30:07.788 again. Second statement that is grossly inaccurate, says it 03:30:07.788 --> 03:30:09.788 would quote, ban the use of 03:30:11.190 --> 03:30:13.325 credit histories and screening. Not accurate or at least not 03:30:14.361 --> 03:30:16.362 complete, but it sure makes for an inflammatory headline, 03:30:17.797 --> 03:30:19.965 doesn't it? The legislation states? The landlord shall not 03:30:20.767 --> 03:30:23.434 require a prospective head to provide a social security number for the person purposes 03:30:25.870 --> 03:30:28.640 of screening. Nowhere in the legislation. Does it say that the use of credit histories is 03:30:31.877 --> 03:30:34.212 banned? In my MAY 6th meeting with the association, we 03:30:35.181 --> 03:30:37.181 discussed the value of knowing 03:30:37.282 --> 03:30:39.282 the intent of various elements 03:30:39.818 --> 03:30:41.818 of the legislation. The intent 03:30:42.287 --> 03:30:43.987 of not requiring a social security number is to not 03:30:46.692 --> 03:30:49.426 create a housing system. We're in people without sources. 03:30:50.128 --> 03:30:52.128 Security numbers, including 03:30:52.429 --> 03:30:54.429 undocumented residents cannot 03:30:54.666 --> 03:30:56.266 secure housing. That is not the community I want and I don't 03:30:57.702 --> 03:31:00.269 believe it's the community that. My fellow council members want to create an unincorporated 03:31:06.644 --> 03:31:08.878 King County. That. That's why in our committee last week we 03:31:10.714 --> 03:31:12.382 discussed several possible alternatives as ways to address 03:31:15.419 --> 03:31:17.820 um. The a social Security number and obtaining a full 03:31:20.457 --> 03:31:23.225 background check. That certainly wasn't referenced in 03:31:23.593 --> 03:31:25.994 the email that went out to association members after that 03:31:30.265 --> 03:31:32.934 conversation. Um. I really do appreciate some of the services 03:31:35.690 --> 03:31:37.672 and support. Um. The association provides me that's why I have at least till now 03:31:39.942 --> 03:31:42.577 been a member. However their email on Friday in the repeat 03:31:46.648 --> 03:31:48.648 email yesterday. Is unfair and 03:31:49.783 --> 03:31:51.783 inaccurate and again by no 03:31:51.820 --> 03:31:53.354 standard can ice. Um agree that this legislation has been 03:31:56.189 --> 03:31:58.189 rushed? I look forward to 03:31:58.693 --> 03:32:00.693 continuing to do the work, Um, 03:32:00.995 --> 03:32:03.630 on this legislation this week, knowing that there are elements 03:32:03.630 --> 03:32:05.499 that even I would like to change through, if not fully addressed in this wrecking 03:32:07.501 --> 03:32:10.170 amendment. Would bring my own amendments, but I'm glad this 03:32:11.500 --> 03:32:13.773 legislation is before us and making sure that um, tenants 03:32:15.376 --> 03:32:17.542 have a just cause before being evicted is important Public 03:32:21.146 --> 03:32:23.146 policy. I'm proud to support. 03:32:24.684 --> 03:32:26.684 You, CouncilCompPlan Lambert. 03:32:26.985 --> 03:32:29.121 Thank you, MADAM Chair. Well I would like to comment that, um 03:32:31.691 --> 03:32:33.292 every speaker. That was online to speak, did get a chance to 03:32:38.164 --> 03:32:40.164 speak. The committee has made 03:32:40.533 --> 03:32:42.533 their plans out for all the way 03:32:43.202 --> 03:32:45.690 till OCTOBER and then got this very big piece of legislation 03:32:47.673 --> 03:32:49.673 that needed to be done. Um 03:32:51.410 --> 03:32:54.780 right away. And so we read, negotiated with a number of 03:32:55.847 --> 03:32:58.749 groups to do this, but we already had people planning for several months out to speak. 03:33:03.190 --> 03:33:05.190 And so. We decided with full 03:33:05.356 --> 03:33:07.356 knowledge to one of the prime 03:33:07.892 --> 03:33:09.960 sponsors that the second half of the meeting would be donated 03:33:11.562 --> 03:33:13.830 to this. I was very specific. At what time we were. I will 03:33:15.966 --> 03:33:18.735 tell you. My staff was. Keeping track of what time it was. You 03:33:18.969 --> 03:33:20.969 have five minutes left. You 03:33:21.205 --> 03:33:23.205 have three minutes left, So we 03:33:23.774 --> 03:33:25.374 were on top of exactly what we had promised exactly what we 03:33:28.412 --> 03:33:30.679 promised. And the fact that it came at the end of the meeting 03:33:31.180 --> 03:33:33.180 shouldn't really have that much 03:33:33.316 --> 03:33:35.718 of a difference, and that the committee already had issues 03:33:37.954 --> 03:33:39.954 and has issues always OCTOBER. 03:33:41.524 --> 03:33:44.126 Scheduled out so that we can be prepared an important many 03:33:44.659 --> 03:33:46.659 other in addition to important 03:33:48.130 --> 03:33:50.466 topics, So, um, that I think was a little bit of a MISS 03:33:50.466 --> 03:33:52.466 Number. Every speaker did 03:33:54.603 --> 03:33:56.603 speak, and, um. One of the 03:33:57.172 --> 03:33:59.172 things that was primary and it 03:33:59.508 --> 03:34:01.508 was mentioned it to the when 03:34:01.742 --> 03:34:03.913 the previous speaker asked, Um, about the delay in the stalling 03:34:06.281 --> 03:34:09.149 who was made very clear. At the legal review and APRIL you can 03:34:09.382 --> 03:34:12.286 tell me that was two days or three days earlier, a legal 03:34:14.322 --> 03:34:17.570 review had not been done, and I personally do not like to pass 03:34:18.159 --> 03:34:19.726 legislation that I get 16 pages of concerns that need to be 03:34:21.661 --> 03:34:23.661 answered. So I think that some 03:34:26.000 --> 03:34:28.000 of the rhetoric is. Is maybe a 03:34:29.101 --> 03:34:31.101 little bit hyperbolic, and I do 03:34:31.605 --> 03:34:33.607 believe that it would be nice as we do this next week if we 03:34:33.607 --> 03:34:35.607 had a side by side from our 03:34:38.780 --> 03:34:40.780 attorneys. On all 16 pages. 03:34:40.313 --> 03:34:43.820 What was the decision? And what does the language set Because I 03:34:43.820 --> 03:34:45.820 think it would be most 03:34:45.251 --> 03:34:47.719 informative for all nine of us to know what our own legal 03:34:50.455 --> 03:34:53.256 staff says is a concern. If we agree that they are concerns, 03:34:54.226 --> 03:34:56.226 then that's fine. But I think 03:34:56.662 --> 03:34:58.863 we should all be fully aware. And I for one hope that we 03:34:59.665 --> 03:35:01.665 never make decisions based on I 03:35:04.369 --> 03:35:06.704 want it done now. As opposed to Oh, we need to comply with the 03:35:08.730 --> 03:35:10.507 law and to make sure that our legal staff has cleared the 03:35:11.609 --> 03:35:13.410 fact that everything in our law is to the best of our knowledge 03:35:15.914 --> 03:35:18.181 and their love their knowledge. As accurate as possible. Are we always going to get it right? 03:35:20.485 --> 03:35:22.886 Of course not. You got 16 pages. You definitely do not have it 03:35:24.822 --> 03:35:27.791 right? And I hope we don't get in the habit of passing legislation in that order. 03:35:31.662 --> 03:35:33.662 Thank you. Venture. Thank you. 03:35:37.434 --> 03:35:40.202 Um so. I want to regretfully remind everybody that we do have a flood control district 03:35:41.905 --> 03:35:43.872 meeting after this meeting, and so I want to try to move us 03:35:44.140 --> 03:35:46.742 through the rest of our agenda here, But I will say this, um 03:35:51.881 --> 03:35:53.881 Aye. This, uh this legislation 03:35:54.584 --> 03:35:56.584 and while it has been pending 03:35:58.520 --> 03:36:00.422 for some time, um, clearly. There were questions and 03:36:01.390 --> 03:36:03.390 amendments and I just want to 03:36:03.559 --> 03:36:05.559 make sure that the body as a 03:36:05.561 --> 03:36:07.561 whole has a full opportunity to 03:36:08.964 --> 03:36:11.799 work through it. And take an informed vote and to present 03:36:14.334 --> 03:36:16.334 And debate. As many amendments 03:36:17.472 --> 03:36:20.140 as people would like to bring. My understanding is that there 03:36:22.410 --> 03:36:24.779 had been a special meeting. Of the community and Human Services Committee, Community 03:36:24.779 --> 03:36:26.779 Housing and even Services 03:36:28.140 --> 03:36:30.140 Committee. It was scheduled for 03:36:31.819 --> 03:36:34.788 JUNE. 23rd. That would have been dedicated entirely to this 03:36:38.491 --> 03:36:40.760 legislation. And although I don't think we're prepared to 03:36:41.728 --> 03:36:43.294 make a decision right here right now on exactly how to 03:36:45.632 --> 03:36:48.670 proceed, I do want to I do want to signal to you, my colleagues 03:36:48.768 --> 03:36:50.402 that I'm seriously thinking about whether there's a way to 03:36:53.439 --> 03:36:55.400 use that time. To try to do whatever detailed work people 03:36:58.678 --> 03:37:00.678 want to do. Um. While still 03:37:01.412 --> 03:37:03.412 bringing this back for a very, 03:37:06.952 --> 03:37:09.754 um, timely vote. Uh, I will say I absolutely hear the concerns 03:37:10.589 --> 03:37:12.790 about the potential for the end of the eviction moratorium, and 03:37:16.827 --> 03:37:18.428 I can only. Can only empathize with how scary that is for so 03:37:22.933 --> 03:37:24.933 many people. Uh this 03:37:25.836 --> 03:37:27.969 legislation as I understand it would not stop people from getting eviction notices who 03:37:30.707 --> 03:37:32.707 haven't paid their rent. So And 03:37:34.311 --> 03:37:35.911 even if we passed it today. It wouldn't be in effect on JULY 03:37:38.447 --> 03:37:40.447 one, so. I don't want to drag 03:37:42.518 --> 03:37:44.786 things out further. But I do want to give the body enough 03:37:45.860 --> 03:37:47.155 time to work through whatever questions and amendments they 03:37:47.523 --> 03:37:50.325 MAY have. So I just I just signal that so that I will take 03:37:52.361 --> 03:37:54.395 this away. I'll make a proposal that will have to be voted on 03:37:54.396 --> 03:37:56.300 because the sits in council now and it would take a vote of the 03:37:59.670 --> 03:38:00.668 council. Or acquiescence of the council to do something other 03:38:02.704 --> 03:38:04.338 than take it up next week. So the default will be it comes up 03:38:07.420 --> 03:38:09.420 next week for a vote. However I 03:38:09.311 --> 03:38:11.613 do want to ask the members to think about whether there is a possibility of using that time 03:38:11.613 --> 03:38:13.613 on the 23rd to have a deeper 03:38:14.447 --> 03:38:16.447 dive. So that when we get to a 03:38:17.510 --> 03:38:19.510 final vote Which I do believe 03:38:20.421 --> 03:38:22.421 can happen this month. Um No 03:38:27.294 --> 03:38:29.294 matter what. It it were ready. 03:38:29.897 --> 03:38:32.598 So uh, that said, this is not on for vote today. And so I'll 03:38:34.234 --> 03:38:37.690 move on to the next agenda item. MADAM Chair Kohl-Welles. 03:38:38.104 --> 03:38:40.539 Yeah I'd just like to come and I don't want to get into a back 03:38:41.341 --> 03:38:43.510 and forth, you know, he said she said she said, No, I didn't 03:38:43.510 --> 03:38:45.510 You know all that It's not 03:38:47.245 --> 03:38:49.245 fruitful. I do believe that 03:38:49.816 --> 03:38:52.784 their differing perceptions of what has gone on and what is 03:38:55.654 --> 03:38:58.456 not gone on very much, so I listen to some of the comments 03:38:58.757 --> 03:39:01.250 that we just made and I'm thinking, Wait a minute. I was 03:39:02.461 --> 03:39:04.620 in that room and Robinson that committee and it's certainly 03:39:06.131 --> 03:39:08.131 not how I recalled. Things 03:39:09.634 --> 03:39:11.634 happen, Uh, staff did prepare. 03:39:13.171 --> 03:39:15.973 Uh as I recall, uh, the table in terms of what we went over 03:39:16.608 --> 03:39:18.108 last Wednesday afternoon following the committee 03:39:21.379 --> 03:39:23.379 meeting. With council members 03:39:24.816 --> 03:39:27.618 of live left stopping present, and, uh, went through with the 03:39:27.618 --> 03:39:29.618 attorneys. Very detail. That 03:39:32.922 --> 03:39:34.923 was a very. Intense meeting for two hours and three minutes. I 03:39:35.292 --> 03:39:37.292 think it's consul member, 03:39:37.760 --> 03:39:40.663 Lambert said. But we came to conclusions. And there were 03:39:41.531 --> 03:39:43.232 there were times where I and I believe Trump's members are 03:39:46.690 --> 03:39:48.904 life changed our position. And embraced constant of the lamb 03:39:50.540 --> 03:39:53.175 burgers. But the lawyers were with us every step of the 03:39:54.577 --> 03:39:56.577 wedding. And what we were able 03:39:58.447 --> 03:40:00.447 to do. I perceived. Is, uh, 03:40:02.251 --> 03:40:04.251 have as they gave us the risk 03:40:05.554 --> 03:40:07.554 level. Oh medium high and what 03:40:08.257 --> 03:40:09.891 we did to make sure as best as possible that we were following 03:40:14.229 --> 03:40:17.970 state law. Or federal law, So I see what was related very 03:40:17.365 --> 03:40:19.365 differently, But I think it is 03:40:21.100 --> 03:40:23.100 important to get this right. 03:40:24.672 --> 03:40:26.672 And I will very much agree that 03:40:26.774 --> 03:40:28.774 we take additional time if need 03:40:30.545 --> 03:40:32.545 be just for the record. No one 03:40:33.114 --> 03:40:35.715 went into the meeting of council member Lambert's Committee last Wednesday with 03:40:38.886 --> 03:40:40.886 the intention. Of moving the 03:40:41.288 --> 03:40:43.288 bill out of committee with the 03:40:43.457 --> 03:40:45.910 do do without recommendation. That was never the intention of 03:40:48.695 --> 03:40:50.695 anybody. But as we went along, 03:40:51.531 --> 03:40:53.531 and it was very apparent to us, 03:40:53.666 --> 03:40:55.666 our perception was that there 03:40:57.235 --> 03:40:59.305 was a dragon on that This was not something that rose to the 03:40:59.305 --> 03:41:01.305 attention in that committee 03:41:03.309 --> 03:41:05.309 where we had. Briefing after 03:41:05.811 --> 03:41:08.613 briefing after briefing and talk about well, I'm all booked 03:41:09.215 --> 03:41:11.915 up. Our committees booked up until next OCTOBER. You know, 03:41:13.517 --> 03:41:15.517 it's that type of comments that 03:41:16.880 --> 03:41:18.880 really started changing the 03:41:18.423 --> 03:41:19.991 picture. The more we can talk about this, the more we can 03:41:22.627 --> 03:41:25.162 perfect. Any striking amendment the better as far as I'm concerned, Thank you, 03:41:27.699 --> 03:41:29.699 MADAM Chair. Thank you. Council 03:41:30.834 --> 03:41:33.337 member. Okay more to come, Uh, Dembowski Council member 03:41:34.372 --> 03:41:37.307 Dembowski. I believe under the rule. Well everybody gets a chance to speak. Please go 03:41:38.511 --> 03:41:40.511 ahead. Thank you in the spirit 03:41:41.178 --> 03:41:43.178 of clarifying our path forward 03:41:43.848 --> 03:41:45.848 here, um, could could you help 03:41:46.450 --> 03:41:48.170 us assuming this? We're currently under a one week 03:41:48.717 --> 03:41:51.188 courtesy delay, So the default as I understand it would be this would be brought up a week 03:41:51.188 --> 03:41:53.188 from today. Tuesday's council 03:41:53.790 --> 03:41:55.790 meeting, although I understand. 03:41:55.792 --> 03:41:58.427 Perhaps if members need more time to get the issues work 03:41:58.762 --> 03:42:00.996 through your envision a potential Wednesday committee 03:42:01.564 --> 03:42:03.564 hearing and then I assume back 03:42:04.133 --> 03:42:06.201 to us two weeks, but and that's not thank you, And that would 03:42:07.350 --> 03:42:09.171 be fine with me. Um that's expeditious, but allowing some 03:42:10.600 --> 03:42:12.807 time to work through this complex piece of legislation 03:42:13.740 --> 03:42:15.740 but assuming it were to be 03:42:15.112 --> 03:42:17.246 brought up on on Tuesday away from today under our rules, or 03:42:17.246 --> 03:42:19.246 maybe your your ruling if they 03:42:20.582 --> 03:42:22.582 can be modified One. Or maybe 03:42:22.618 --> 03:42:24.618 when would amendments be 03:42:24.952 --> 03:42:27.588 appropriately required in terms of timing? Can someone help her 03:42:30.358 --> 03:42:32.760 that? Okay fantastic question. So there's multiple different 03:42:33.895 --> 03:42:36.730 paths, and that's what I really was trying to avoid thinking 03:42:37.732 --> 03:42:39.332 this out loud in public, but let's do it and a little bit 03:42:42.570 --> 03:42:44.570 anyway. One path would be. You 03:42:44.671 --> 03:42:46.840 re refer the item to committee. You hold the special committee 03:42:46.974 --> 03:42:49.509 meeting with the understanding that we will take a vote at the 03:42:50.100 --> 03:42:52.179 following council meeting either because it's been voted back out of committee or 03:42:52.179 --> 03:42:54.179 because we pull it from 03:42:55.820 --> 03:42:57.820 committee. Which we have the 03:42:58.510 --> 03:42:59.652 power to do. In that case, the amendments schedule would back 03:43:02.255 --> 03:43:04.255 off of next. Wednesday I 03:43:05.525 --> 03:43:07.525 believe whatever the 23rd is. 03:43:08.561 --> 03:43:10.596 If we're voting for it next, if we don't have a path that looks 03:43:11.397 --> 03:43:13.666 like that, then the it comes up again on the council agenda 03:43:13.666 --> 03:43:15.666 naturally next Tuesday and 03:43:17.503 --> 03:43:19.503 amendments. Deadlines back off 03:43:20.139 --> 03:43:22.608 of next Tuesday. Either way, I believe direction is probably 03:43:22.608 --> 03:43:24.608 due Friday or Monday. Um, 03:43:26.979 --> 03:43:28.979 APRIL. Can you help with that? 03:43:29.313 --> 03:43:31.582 Yeah, So if the council chose to vote next Tuesday on the 03:43:32.317 --> 03:43:35.186 22nd line amendments would be due by the end of the day on 03:43:37.455 --> 03:43:39.623 this Friday, Um, and for the 23rd reaction on the 23rd. They'll be required Monday End 03:43:43.661 --> 03:43:46.960 of day. Mhm. Without having that direction ahead of time. 03:43:47.265 --> 03:43:49.666 We will have to assume action on to use the water starting be 03:43:50.334 --> 03:43:52.334 Friday, and what's the deadline 03:43:54.470 --> 03:43:57.407 for a striking a moment? Thursday tomorrow tomorrow 03:44:00.344 --> 03:44:01.944 Wednesday. So let me let me make this suggestion. Members 03:44:05.615 --> 03:44:07.249 of the council. Um for clarity for everybody's sanity so that 03:44:11.421 --> 03:44:13.421 we can plan. Would you all be 03:44:14.557 --> 03:44:17.590 able to accept a path that had us doing rescheduling the 03:44:20.228 --> 03:44:23.980 special. Community and human service, Community Housing and Human Services Committee 03:44:25.340 --> 03:44:27.969 meeting for JUNE 23rd. Re referring this with the 03:44:28.304 --> 03:44:30.171 understanding that one way or another, we will be taking this 03:44:31.600 --> 03:44:33.600 item up for final action. On 03:44:35.811 --> 03:44:38.345 Tuesday. I'm sorry, Calendar up in found on me. It's the one 03:44:38.345 --> 03:44:40.947 thing I'm locking sitting here and hold on. I will say I'll 03:44:44.252 --> 03:44:46.620 pull it up. Um 29 between 1950 just went Tuesday. There is no 03:44:47.355 --> 03:44:49.957 meeting. Not there. So what about we could schedule one and 03:44:49.957 --> 03:44:51.957 in fact, it might make some 03:44:52.126 --> 03:44:54.126 sense. Maybe Jeralee. Hampshire 03:44:55.596 --> 03:44:57.596 Council member von Reichbauer. 03:44:57.731 --> 03:44:59.731 I move the motion as just 03:45:00.301 --> 03:45:02.402 outlined by the chair. I don't believe it needs a motion. If 03:45:02.603 --> 03:45:04.804 people agree. We'll just do as as all right. I will accept the 03:45:06.607 --> 03:45:08.608 motion back in the motion. I don't remember. Dunn seconds 03:45:08.775 --> 03:45:11.342 emotion. We also don't two seconds, but you know whatever 03:45:12.279 --> 03:45:14.279 Process masses, it's all out 03:45:14.546 --> 03:45:16.147 the window here. Um okay, so the motion is, as I understand 03:45:18.918 --> 03:45:20.918 it. Were re referring to the 03:45:22.655 --> 03:45:24.891 committee on Community Service, Community, human housing and 03:45:24.891 --> 03:45:26.891 Community Housing and Human 03:45:28.461 --> 03:45:30.461 Services Committee. Council 03:45:31.300 --> 03:45:33.965 member Lambert. I am assuming that is a she's still able to hold a special meeting on JUNE 03:45:37.403 --> 03:45:39.437 23rd. And that our plan is to have this back to Council for 03:45:43.375 --> 03:45:45.209 final passage. On JUNE 29th, which will be a special meeting 03:45:45.542 --> 03:45:47.542 of council for this purpose. 03:45:49.414 --> 03:45:52.150 That is my motion. Thank you, sir. Discussion but that is my 03:45:53.383 --> 03:45:55.383 second. Thank you. Council 03:45:57.555 --> 03:45:59.923 member. None. MADAM Chair Council member Kohl-Welles 03:46:00.558 --> 03:46:03.590 Thank you for staying in because I feel let's see here. 03:46:05.529 --> 03:46:08.297 I'm not opposed to this motion or agreement, but I do have 03:46:08.999 --> 03:46:10.999 another option. I would like to 03:46:11.100 --> 03:46:13.100 suggest. Please go ahead. This 03:46:13.737 --> 03:46:15.337 is critically important and there are so many views on it 03:46:19.750 --> 03:46:21.877 right now and. Wishes to get perhaps more amendments. And 03:46:23.213 --> 03:46:26.810 could we referred instead to the committee of the whole and 03:46:26.249 --> 03:46:28.918 that way we could all participate. Not solely those 03:46:28.918 --> 03:46:30.918 numbers of the spirit changes 03:46:34.822 --> 03:46:36.858 school. Committee. Me consult with the chair of the committee 03:46:37.920 --> 03:46:39.659 of the whole Council member McDermott and ask if he would 03:46:39.762 --> 03:46:41.762 be willing to schedule a 03:46:41.862 --> 03:46:43.498 special meeting of Committee of the whole for JUNE 23rd, which 03:46:44.833 --> 03:46:46.833 would then Require us all to 03:46:50.380 --> 03:46:53.700 attempt. Would MADAM Chair it? Let's take a quick look. That would be the 23rd is next 03:46:56.411 --> 03:46:57.945 Wednesday. I guess it would be in the afternoon. Is that 03:47:01.249 --> 03:47:03.617 correct? Yes, because Mobility and environment committee is in 03:47:03.918 --> 03:47:06.553 the morning. All right. This sounds like a plan. Council 03:47:06.619 --> 03:47:08.588 member von Reichbauer. Would you accept that as a friendly 03:47:09.123 --> 03:47:11.900 amendment that the meeting with the special meeting of a 03:47:11.257 --> 03:47:13.426 committee on the 23rd would be committee of the whole so that we can all participate and 03:47:15.829 --> 03:47:17.829 vote. Everyone can be okay. 03:47:17.897 --> 03:47:20.466 Yeah man, Jerry, except that his Kremlin member. Thank you, 03:47:21.168 --> 03:47:23.235 sir. Council member. Lambert Do you accept that, I do, and I 03:47:25.372 --> 03:47:27.372 would like to ask one request. 03:47:27.474 --> 03:47:30.141 Then, prior to that meeting, everybody read the memo that we 03:47:32.111 --> 03:47:33.845 got from legal on JANUARY and on JUNE 6th at 2 32 03:47:38.500 --> 03:47:40.500 approximately. So if you read 03:47:41.520 --> 03:47:44.254 that page 16 pages. Um I'm sorry it was received on JUNE 03:47:46.250 --> 03:47:48.250 3rd at 2 32 approximately. So 03:47:49.761 --> 03:47:52.630 if you read that you have. Very big insights, and I think it 03:47:52.964 --> 03:47:55.650 will be very helpful and everybody knows that. Um and 03:47:59.237 --> 03:48:01.937 understand. Why, um, we didn't vote on it prior to seven. 03:48:03.800 --> 03:48:04.573 Third Thank you Want to be happy to do that? And, um I 03:48:07.545 --> 03:48:09.545 have not. We were going to put 03:48:09.714 --> 03:48:11.714 out the calculation of the 03:48:12.490 --> 03:48:14.517 meeting. But once we do, I'm sure your office can use that 03:48:15.170 --> 03:48:16.486 time to, um, re refer, so I'm glad we had that time 03:48:20.591 --> 03:48:22.591 available. Thank you. Yes Yeah, 03:48:23.260 --> 03:48:25.260 I think Council member members 03:48:25.862 --> 03:48:27.563 of record and our suggestion is very positive and helpful that 03:48:30.300 --> 03:48:32.300 I would also like. Everybody 03:48:33.102 --> 03:48:35.102 could be what the staff and the 03:48:35.205 --> 03:48:37.205 attorneys legal came up with 03:48:38.741 --> 03:48:40.909 that our meeting last Wednesday where we clarified a lot and we 03:48:44.212 --> 03:48:46.114 reached agreement. We ask us Can we ask staff to pull 03:48:48.317 --> 03:48:50.317 together a packet for members? 03:48:50.651 --> 03:48:53.530 Uh to be shared in advance of the 23rd so that folks can take 03:48:53.854 --> 03:48:55.423 a look at all of that, And we're just gonna have to be 03:48:58.760 --> 03:49:01.195 very careful about what is. Um attorney client privilege and 03:49:01.563 --> 03:49:03.797 what is not because this then becomes a public document that should be published so people 03:49:05.700 --> 03:49:08.202 can see it. That's what I was gonna say The crosswalk that 03:49:08.436 --> 03:49:11.405 customer Lambert is referring ship is the world advice until 03:49:12.106 --> 03:49:13.707 we can with you offline, But now I'm the poet packet. Thank 03:49:17.410 --> 03:49:19.947 you very much. Mhm. Okay I think we have a path. I'm going to ask for a vote. Do people 03:49:19.947 --> 03:49:21.947 understand what we're voting 03:49:25.190 --> 03:49:27.190 on? I see. No it's all those in 03:49:27.221 --> 03:49:29.210 favor of this procedural motion. Please signify by 03:49:33.260 --> 03:49:35.427 saying Aye, I, Any opposed? This is what we shall do. Thank 03:49:35.862 --> 03:49:38.397 you, Member Dembowski for the suggestion and for everyone. 03:49:38.798 --> 03:49:41.433 Council members, von Reichbauer and everyone for your partisan 03:49:42.680 --> 03:49:44.537 participation in making sure we have a path for this 03:49:44.537 --> 03:49:46.104 legislation. I think this is a It's a good good compromise. 03:49:50.176 --> 03:49:52.544 Thank you all. Okay with that. We just have a few quick items 03:49:52.645 --> 03:49:54.811 left, including the things I skipped at the beginning of the 03:49:55.613 --> 03:49:57.582 meeting for which I apologize, But let's let's get through the 03:49:59.650 --> 03:50:01.650 last consent agenda items. We 03:50:02.688 --> 03:50:04.688 find where I was. Yeah. Uh, was 03:50:08.960 --> 03:50:10.960 that. One second, please. Okay, 03:50:15.732 --> 03:50:17.732 Um. This brings us to items 13 03:50:18.690 --> 03:50:19.669 through 16 consent Agenda. MADAM Chair Could you please 03:50:21.272 --> 03:50:23.708 read them into the record? Thank you, MADAM Chair Adam 13 03:50:23.708 --> 03:50:26.476 Post Substitute Ordinance number 2021. That's their their 03:50:27.244 --> 03:50:29.210 own 97, concurring with the recommendation of the hearing 03:50:30.140 --> 03:50:32.749 Examiner to approve subject to conditions the application of Public benefit rating system assessed valuation for open 03:50:34.585 --> 03:50:36.585 space. Committed by Bernadette 03:50:36.685 --> 03:50:39.421 like a cart and Charles Fair for property located on bash on 03:50:39.488 --> 03:50:41.558 and I'm 14 is proposed. Substitute ordinance number 03:50:42.325 --> 03:50:44.525 2021 days Sure, 136 conferring with the recommendation of the hearing examiner to approve 03:50:45.562 --> 03:50:47.829 subject to conditions. Application for public benefit 03:50:47.929 --> 03:50:50.699 rating systems evaluation for open space submitted by Shelley 03:50:51.300 --> 03:50:53.300 Marino for property located in 03:50:54.337 --> 03:50:56.304 linen cloth at m 15. Is proposed Subs to ordinance 03:50:57.373 --> 03:51:00.275 number 2021 Industrial 137 concurring with the recommendation of the hearing 03:51:00.976 --> 03:51:03.412 examiner to prove subject to conditions, the application for 03:51:03.412 --> 03:51:04.979 public benefit rating system assessed valuation for open 03:51:07.150 --> 03:51:09.160 space submitted by Ali. Dar llc for property located in 03:51:10.318 --> 03:51:12.153 sackcloth and item 16 is proposed us to order number 03:51:13.456 --> 03:51:16.156 2021-13 concurring with recognitions hearing examiner 03:51:16.491 --> 03:51:18.559 to approve subject to conditions Application for 03:51:18.660 --> 03:51:21.400 public benefit rating system assessed valuation for open space a minute by Timothy o 03:51:22.529 --> 03:51:24.131 Brien. Victoria Timco for property located in you know, 03:51:27.235 --> 03:51:29.436 apply. All right. Thank you very much. Council member 03:51:30.203 --> 03:51:32.203 Dembowski. Thank MADAM Chair 03:51:32.205 --> 03:51:33.773 move. Adoption of the hearing Examiners consent agenda as 03:51:35.476 --> 03:51:38.110 read into the record. Thank you. It is before us, MADAM 03:51:38.110 --> 03:51:39.612 Clerk, please call the roll. Thank you, MADAM Chair Council 03:51:41.415 --> 03:51:43.415 member Dembowski. In basketball 03:51:45.518 --> 03:51:47.306 side councilmember Dunn. Bye. Member done both by council 03:51:49.189 --> 03:51:51.230 member Kohl-Welles. Aye. Member Kohl-Welles, both by 03:51:52.123 --> 03:51:53.692 Councilmember Lambert. I remember Lambert, both sides 03:51:55.727 --> 03:51:58.530 councilmember McDermott. Member McDermott both side 03:51:58.798 --> 03:52:00.798 councilmember Upthegrove. I 03:52:01.133 --> 03:52:03.701 remember Upthegrove both by camp number one Reichbauer high, 03:52:03.736 --> 03:52:05.303 Remember, von Reichbauer What? The council member Zahilay? 03:52:07.840 --> 03:52:10.241 Aye. Zahilay both by MADAM Chair by MADAM Chair the 03:52:12.878 --> 03:52:15.713 bit of nine I've zero notes. All right. By our votes we have 03:52:16.480 --> 03:52:18.480 adopted proposed substitute 03:52:24.956 --> 03:52:26.956 ordinances. 2021-0. And 0138. 03:52:27.759 --> 03:52:30.260 All right now, uh, if there's no objection, the published 03:52:30.360 --> 03:52:32.596 marked agenda together with any changes made in today's meeting 03:52:33.300 --> 03:52:35.633 will stand approved as the first reading in referral of 03:52:35.633 --> 03:52:37.633 ordinances and motions. Items 03:52:39.436 --> 03:52:41.972 17 through 31 as listed. And now going back to the very 03:52:43.273 --> 03:52:45.475 beginning. Uh, let me ask a question of council members. 03:52:46.176 --> 03:52:48.578 All accounts members, all I in my zeal to get underway, 03:52:48.578 --> 03:52:50.578 thinking we would finish 03:52:54.384 --> 03:52:57.252 quickly. Uh, I got through a special items before we were 03:52:58.154 --> 03:53:00.355 able to do yours. Would you like to do that now or hold it until the beginning of next 03:53:02.358 --> 03:53:04.593 week's meeting? Sorry MADAM Chair. Which one is the 03:53:05.728 --> 03:53:07.728 special item? Juneteenth 03:53:07.762 --> 03:53:10.598 recognition. Let's do that at the next meeting. Okay? We will 03:53:10.598 --> 03:53:12.799 hold that for the next meeting. I apologize that that that happened, then we'll we'll make 03:53:16.205 --> 03:53:18.940 sure to give it. Uh it's due on the next agenda. Council member 03:53:19.840 --> 03:53:22.343 Rambert. We also skipped over something that you were going 03:53:22.577 --> 03:53:24.211 to say about the flag day. So, uh, would you would you like to 03:53:26.680 --> 03:53:28.949 say that now? I think if you would like I can hold it till 03:53:29.716 --> 03:53:32.653 next week. Okay? We can do that as well. Thank you very much will just hold it and we'll 03:53:33.187 --> 03:53:35.187 just hold the flag salute item 03:53:36.258 --> 03:53:38.258 in its place. All right, uh, we 03:53:39.158 --> 03:53:42.290 do had I my notes. It seems that we missed one vote, and 03:53:42.696 --> 03:53:45.534 that was the first consent agenda item. Do you have any 03:53:45.534 --> 03:53:47.534 others? MADAM Chair is that is